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Was the War in Iraq worth it?

Was the War in Iraq worth it?

  • Yes

    Votes: 21 19.6%
  • No

    Votes: 86 80.4%

  • Total voters
    107
That's inaccurate as well. There was no double secret cone of silence intel. We know that Saddam likely had some left over wmds, that his infastructure was such that he could not maintain such weapons. We also had no intel that was credible that he was growing and gathering. Much has been written on this by all kinds of sources.

Are you trying to say Bush lied? I find that some what tedious. You have no idea what the US or many other countries had in the way of intelligence reports and what if anything they actually believed.
 
Ockham, I suggest you do some reading of the minutes of UN discussion prior to the vote not to sanction the Iraqi invasion. The facts about why The UN did not sanction this invasion are starkly different from what the US media and the GWB administration said about the subject.

UN Webcast Archives

I watched the whole runup to the war on tv in our glass blowing studio.

We had Free Speech TV on Dish Network.

There was a HUGE amount of information countering the "messaging" we were getting from the govt and the US media. Including docume taries on Husseins "containment" and how the inspection process actually worked.

Turns out they were right, for the most part.

The idea that the "world" agreed on the "intel" is ridiculous.
 
No, I agree with the majority of Veterans who fought the war, and the majority of Americans that paid for it through taxes and National debt, it was not worth it.

That's just made up. Those that fought in Iraq know what they did and I have yet to find one that has told me they are sorry they participated in it.

Our national debt ($15 trillion) is not because of Iraq.
 
Are you trying to say Bush lied? I find that some what tedious. You have no idea what the US or many other countries had in the way of intelligence reports and what if anything they actually believed.

Tedious or not, it is the truth. He lied. No one outside of the doubted intel said Saddam was growing and gathering. That was Bush and Bush alone. And it was a lie.

Again, there is no double secret cone of silence intel. You're just grasping at astraws because it is all you have.
 
What did you present? I must have missed it. Sorry. Do try again. Type slow. I don't read too fast.

There are none so blind as he who will not see.

That's inaccurate as well. There was no double secret cone of silence intel. We know that Saddam likely had some left over wmds, that his infastructure was such that he could not maintain such weapons. We also had no intel that was credible that he was growing and gathering. Much has been written on this by all kinds of sources.

No, as for Bush the father, he was ready to help the kurds, but Chalibi (you might remember him and his heros in error) betrayed us to Iran, so we backed off and let kurds suffer for it. Before you can successfully re-write history, it helps if you know it.

I hope this helps.
 
Thanks but it does not help at all.

Well, we have no intel saying Saddam was growing and gathering. There's the Chalibi stuff you could address. Either one would be a fine place to start.
 
Dofferent situation. No one came in and brought us independence. We took it, decided for ourselves. That makes a difference, and changes the means. So try again.

Actually, we declared our independence, and then with the help of a superpower, overthrew a dictator. The only difference is that there was no dramatic declaration of independence from what was seen as a foreign dictator. In the case of Iraq, there was thirty years of armed revolt against a domestic dictator. That's not much of a difference. The only real difference, it would seem, is how narrowly it's perceived by you.
 
LOL!

I wonder what you were watching and what you were smoking at the time.

A hyper-liberal network that makes MSNBC look like Limbaugh.

And much of the content was documentaries from the BBC and other internationally repected sources.

The sheer weight of information on this and other subjects not included in the American political discourse was frankly shocking.

American MSM is NOT telling us the whole story on much of anything.
 
That's just made up. Those that fought in Iraq know what they did and I have yet to find one that has told me they are sorry they participated in it.

Our national debt ($15 trillion) is not because of Iraq.

A trillion of our debt is due to Iraq and that doesn't include the trillion that will be needed to replace the munitions and destroyed equipment and care for the ten's of thousands of maimed and injured veterans for the rest of their lives.

And no, it is not made up that a majority of the Veterans of the Iraq war don't think it was worth it:

"A Pew Research Center poll released Wednesday says 2 in 3 post-9/11 veterans think the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq are not worth the costs."

Vets Say Wars Not Worth It
 
Actually, we declared our independence, and then with the help of a superpower, overthrew a dictator. The only difference is that there was no dramatic declaration of independence from what was seen as a foreign dictator. In the case of Iraq, there was thirty years of armed revolt against a domestic dictator. That's not much of a difference. The only real difference, it would seem, is how narrowly it's perceived by you.
Help we asked for, and limited help. Germany did not invade and free us.

So there is a lot of difference. A lot of difference.
 
Well, we have no intel saying Saddam was growing and gathering. There's the Chalibi stuff you could address. Either one would be a fine place to start.

I have no idea what "growing and gathering" might mean. Chalibi was a fool and at times a useful fool.

You have no idea how "intelligence" is used you do?
 
I have no idea what "growing and gathering" might mean. Chalibi was a fool and at times a useful fool.

You have no idea how "intelligence" is used you do?

Used by Iran to get us to invade. I know.

And yes, we all do. There is plenty written on it, plenty released. It is not a secret.
 
A trillion of our debt is due to Iraq and that doesn't include the trillion that will be needed to replace the munitions and destroyed equipment and care for the ten's of thousands of maimed and injured veterans for the rest of their lives.

And no, it is not made up that a majority of the Veterans of the Iraq war don't think it was worth it:

"A Pew Research Center poll released Wednesday says 2 in 3 post-9/11 veterans think the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq are not worth the costs."

Vets Say Wars Not Worth It

Pew, NBC, CNN.....Yup, no bias there.
 
Help we asked for, and limited help. Germany did not invade and free us.

So there is a lot of difference. A lot of difference.

The difference is not great in regards to your "the ends doesn't justify the means" when it comes to war.
 
Where are the surveys that refute them???

Let's see....

Pew did not tell how they came up with their figures nor did they say what the questions were and how were they asked.

CNN and NBC are so in bed with the Democrats it's not even funny any more.
 
Let's see....

Pew did not tell how they came up with their figures nor did they say what the questions were and how were they asked.

Did you click on the link at the site I referenced?

BTW, "Where are the surveys that refute them???"
 
The difference is not great in regards to your "the ends doesn't justify the means" when it comes to war.

Yes, it is. Very great. If another country came in and invaded us to give us freedom, I assure you we would not be happy. We would resist, and likely would have sided with the British. Like I said, you present a different means and not the same means.
 
Any evidence that they are?

of course
they draw a conclusion different than his political ideology
therefor, they are unacceptable
 
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