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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    What war? Oh, you mean the occupation. Of course not.
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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Of course it was. Iraq's government progessed 100 years in 10. Anyone with any 'progressive' in them must admit that. It went from a genocidal dictatorship to some semblence of democracy. Women's rights have progressed drastically, FGM and Honor Killings are no longer State sanctioned (legal). Censorship has been lessened from unimaginable degrees, it is now ok to criticize the government. The country is no longer in violation of 17 Chapter 7 UNSCRs, and is instead working with the international community towards the development of useful infrastructure. The Kurds and Marsh Arabs are no longer suffering genocide.

    I mean, really... how could removing a backward genocidal dictatorship and replacing it with the beginnings of democracy not be worth it? Just ask the Kurds or Marsh Arabs if it was worth it.

    Iraq is now poised to develop like an Asian Tiger, instead of becoming another North Korea. We shined a light into the heart of darkness.
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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Of course it was. Iraq's government progessed 100 years in 10. Anyone with any 'progressive' in them must admit that. It went from a genocidal dictatorship to some semblence of democracy. Women's rights have progressed drastically, FGM and Honor Killings are no longer State sanctioned (legal). Censorship has been lessened from unimaginable degrees, it is now ok to criticize the government. The country is no longer in violation of 17 Chapter 7 UNSCRs, and is instead working with the international community towards the development of useful infrastructure. The Kurds and Marsh Arabs are no longer suffering genocide.

    I mean, really... how could removing a backward genocidal dictatorship and replacing it with the beginnings of democracy not be worth it? Just ask the Kurds or Marsh Arabs if it was worth it.

    Iraq is now poised to develop like an Asian Tiger, instead of becoming another North Korea. We shined a light into the heart of darkness.
    Im sure the million dead Iraqis are thumbs-upping in their graves in thanks for the 'surprise' liberation. Our intents were completely good we only had to lie to get there to save them from themselves. A completely just and heartful romp into the heart of the middle east all for charity that has bankrupted the nation and it's political capital as part of an endless war on terrorism for the good of us being able to drive cheaply.

    Totally worth it.

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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    for the good of us being able to drive cheaply.
    Yeah, cheap gas is great, ain't it. I mean, since invading it has dropped drastically in price... wait, the opposite happened. Where is your evidence? Of course, you don't have any evidence. You just love last decade's talking points.

    Heck, we didn't even get the contracts for drilling and refining... China and Europe did.


    million dead Iraqis are thumbs-upping in their graves in thanks
    Are you referring to the million killed in genocide, in torture camps or in Saddam's wars against his neighbors? Stop acting like no one was being murdered and suffering genocide before the invasion. Fact is, Saddam killed that many on a regular basis. The deaths per year of Iraqis has dropped significantly since Saddam's genocidal reign. We didn't kill anywhere near what he did, on a per year or per decade basis. They got NOTHING for all the millions of murders under Saddam. At least they got something for this - freedom.
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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    The change in the Middle East over the last 9 years has been dramatic. We'll see if it continues. We won't know the real impact of our involvement for another 20-50 years. I'm sure that someone other than Bush2 will get all the credit when credit is due. I hope everyone remembers how much of this he took on himself - good or bad. Obama was quick to take some credit recently - more will jump on the bandwagon as time goes on. Of course, in addition to Bush2, the October 11, 2002 resolution that authorized President Bush to use force in Iraq passed the Senate (Democrat Majority held Senate) by a vote of 77 to 23, and the House by 296 to 133 (82 democrats in favor) - have you tried getting that kind of support for anything recently? According to GlobalSecurity.org, there non-U.S. militaries in Iraq have ranged from 21 other countries to as many as 34 including Albania, Armenia, Australia, Azerbaijan, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Denmark, El Salvador, Estonia, Georgia, Italy, Japan, Kazakhstan, Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, Moldova, Mongolia, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Singapore, South Korea, Spain, Thailand, the United Kingdom, and the Ukraine.
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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    IMO, so much more could have been accomplished by our nation ,and its leaders simply learning to respect others. This takes time, too much time???, but does not involve the killing of so many human beings. And, of course, the cost is far more inexpensive.

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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Yes, respecting genocidal dictators should be our first priority.

    You mean in rebuilding? Instead of figuring it could be much better, how about we consider it could be much worse. It's not like this has been done before. Next time (Iran) will be better.
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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Of course it was. Iraq's government progessed 100 years in 10. Anyone with any 'progressive' in them must admit that. It went from a genocidal dictatorship to some semblence of democracy. Women's rights have progressed drastically, FGM and Honor Killings are no longer State sanctioned (legal). Censorship has been lessened from unimaginable degrees, it is now ok to criticize the government. The country is no longer in violation of 17 Chapter 7 UNSCRs, and is instead working with the international community towards the development of useful infrastructure. The Kurds and Marsh Arabs are no longer suffering genocide.
    Agree....but at such a cost....human lives to take the place of "time"???

    I mean, really... how could removing a backward genocidal dictatorship and replacing it with the beginnings of democracy not be worth it? Just ask the Kurds or Marsh Arabs if it was worth it.

    Iraq is now poised to develop like an Asian Tiger, instead of becoming another North Korea. We shined a light into the heart of darkness.
    Agree....but at such a cost....human lives to take the place of "time"???

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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Agree....but at such a cost....human lives to take the place of "time"???
    It was not merely "time" to Iraqis. They had suffered horribly over two decades, from aggressive human-wave warfare against Iran, to TWO major episodes of genocide (one via chemical weapons), to oppression and tyranny we can hardly comprehend. SEVENTEEN Chapter 7 UNSCRs. 250k Kurds, 50k Marsh Arabs, 400k children (selling oil-for-food proceeds).

    Enough was enough.
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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Of course it was. Iraq's government progessed 100 years in 10. Anyone with any 'progressive' in them must admit that. It went from a genocidal dictatorship to some semblence of democracy. Women's rights have progressed drastically, FGM and Honor Killings are no longer State sanctioned (legal). Censorship has been lessened from unimaginable degrees, it is now ok to criticize the government. The country is no longer in violation of 17 Chapter 7 UNSCRs, and is instead working with the international community towards the development of useful infrastructure. The Kurds and Marsh Arabs are no longer suffering genocide.

    I mean, really... how could removing a backward genocidal dictatorship and replacing it with the beginnings of democracy not be worth it? Just ask the Kurds or Marsh Arabs if it was worth it.

    Iraq is now poised to develop like an Asian Tiger, instead of becoming another North Korea. We shined a light into the heart of darkness.
    by this "logic" we should next invade north korea and free that people from their forced starvation
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