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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Saddam taking control of 20% of the worlds oil reserves would have been a crippling blow to America's economy, and would have crippled America's ability to defend itself. Saddam invaded Kuwait because they refused to slow oil production and drive the price of oil up. Saddam needed high oil prices to pay of it's war debt. (Iran-Iraq war). Whether or not you know any Kuwaitis has nothing to do with the very real impact to your life that Saddam's successful acquisition of Kuwait would have caused. Never mind the idea that unprovoked aggression against another sovereign nation is generally considered taboo in the civilized world.
    Only if we were unwilling to adapt. We have HUGE oil reserves. Canada has HUGE oil reserves. We have the biggest natural gas reserves in the world and could easily adapt and leave the whole M.E. to the barbaric 7th century ways... laughing all the way as they fell back into the dark ages. But nope, we made things far far worse by invading. I guess time will tell. In 25 years I might recant here at this very site... I bet you are anxious to wait and see, eh?
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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Not at all... but we certainly pick and choose are battles. We did nothing for Rwanda or Cambodia or Sierra Leone. We did in Europe because it was Europe and we did it in Kuwait and the ME because it was about oil. As soon as a battle started in Mogadishu we turned tail and ran.
    That's not really accurate. For instance, I happened to be part of the US response in Rwanda in 1994. I agree our actions in Cambodia and Sierra Leone were lacking. The only reason we got into Europe in either case was because we were attacked, I personally believe we should have stayed out of WWI and should have entered WWII much earlier than we did (due to the ongoing genocide). I also know several people that didn't "turn tail and run" in Mogadishu.
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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Only if we were unwilling to adapt. We have HUGE oil reserves. Canada has HUGE oil reserves. We have the biggest natural gas reserves in the world and could easily adapt and leave the whole M.E. to the barbaric 7th century ways... laughing all the way as they fell back into the dark ages. But nope, we made things far far worse by invading. I guess time will tell. In 25 years I might recant here at this very site... I bet you are anxious to wait and see, eh?
    I think our present state would tell you that our political situation does not let us adapt when it comes to oil production.

    edit: for the record, I'm not a particular fan of the second Iraq invasion. Primarily for timing reasons, I do believe Saddam being removed from power was a benefit to the entire world.
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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    What were those B-52s doing then? And you did it again... you ignored another aspect of my point. Is this what you do? Cherry pick semantical arguments and not ever actually address the purpose of the question? I feel like I am dealing with a kid, or worse, my riduclous ex wife.

    Oh... and the slave does not "invite" the master anywere.


    They were bombing military targets. That's not an invasion.

    No one can complain about dishonesty while at the same time posting erroneous information.
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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    That's not really accurate. For instance, I happened to be part of the US response in Rwanda in 1994. I agree our actions in Cambodia and Sierra Leone were lacking. The only reason we got into Europe in either case was because we were attacked, I personally believe we should have stayed out of WWI and should have entered WWII much earlier than we did (due to the ongoing genocide). I also know several people that didn't "turn tail and run" in Mogadishu.
    I know we had a response in Rwanda and I know an Army Ranger that didn't turn tail and run for those two days or whatever it was as well... but we as a nation turned tail and ran and that was the point and I think that you know that. Also, I meant Yougoslavia... not WWI or WWII. Since you brought it up though, I agree to your assessment of how our response should have been in both.
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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I think our present state would tell you that our political situation does not let us adapt when it comes to oil production.

    edit: for the record, I'm not a particular fan of the second Iraq invasion. Primarily for timing reasons, I do believe Saddam being removed from power was a benefit to the entire world.
    But we could and would adapt if we had to... that is the very nature of what makes America great.
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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    They were bombing military targets. That's not an invasion.

    No one can complain about dishonesty while at the same time posting erroneous information.
    Ever heard of the term "invasion of airspace"?
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Not at all... but we certainly pick and choose are battles. We did nothing for Rwanda or Cambodia or Sierra Leone. We did in Europe because it was Europe and we did it in Kuwait and the ME because it was about oil. As soon as a battle started in Mogadishu we turned tail and ran.
    We had a dumbass Libbo prez while people were dieing in Rwanda and Sierra Leone.
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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Ever heard of the term "invasion of airspace"?
    Militarily? No, I haven't. Care to educate us on it? Please, only explain it to use in tactical military terms. Thanks and good luck with that.
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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    They were bombing military targets. That's not an invasion.

    No one can complain about dishonesty while at the same time posting erroneous information.
    Oh my god... what a ****ing waste this is turning into. I will just slam you this one last time and leave you to your folly.

    Originally Posted by apdst
    we never crossed troops into North Vietnam.

    Originally Posted by Bodhisattva
    What were those B-52s doing then?
    B-52's carry troops. They crossed into North Vietnam. You lose. It's over. Now... will you just answer the damn question.
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