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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, the text is relatively clear. The courts decide if we ahve evidence that you were going 150 mph in 65mph zone. Not rather going 150 mph in 65 mph is speeding. Here we have the document (the speed limit) and we have the our actions (the clocked speed). So we have the evidence and the law. As it won't go to court, we can, should, and have looked at both. You have suspend disbelief not to see it.
    I have not suspended disbelief. There are UN resolutions dating back to just after the first Gulf War that can be interpreted to have authorized the invasion. Simple. Regardless, it was a bad idea, though not illegal.
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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    The US and UK governments, stated that the invasion was entirely legal because it was already authorized by existing United Nations Security Council resolutions and a resumption of previously temporarily suspended hostilities, and were acting as agents for the defense of Kuwait in response to Iraq's 1990 invasion. The War was ok because we were protecting Kuwait from an invasion 14 years prior?
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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    The US and UK governments, stated that the invasion was entirely legal because it was already authorized by existing United Nations Security Council resolutions and a resumption of previously temporarily suspended hostilities, and were acting as agents for the defense of Kuwait in response to Iraq's 1990 invasion. The War was ok because we were protecting Kuwait from an invasion 14 years prior?
    Yes indeedy, these people should be selling cars. Just driven to church by a little ol' lady, downhill in both directions.

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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I have not suspended disbelief. There are UN resolutions dating back to just after the first Gulf War that can be interpreted to have authorized the invasion. Simple. Regardless, it was a bad idea, though not illegal.
    No, they cannot. Not remotely. You do have to suspend disbleif to believe that they do. I again point to the fact that the definition of the coalition of the willing itself means outside the UN. You cannot argue, honestly, that the invasion was authorized by the UN.

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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    The US and UK governments, stated that the invasion was entirely legal because it was already authorized by existing United Nations Security Council resolutions and a resumption of previously temporarily suspended hostilities, and were acting as agents for the defense of Kuwait in response to Iraq's 1990 invasion. The War was ok because we were protecting Kuwait from an invasion 14 years prior?
    What was that about what reasonable people would believe?

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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, they cannot. Not remotely. You do have to suspend disbleif to believe that they do. I again point to the fact that the definition of the coalition of the willing itself means outside the UN. You cannot argue, honestly, that the invasion was authorized by the UN.
    The authorization of force using military means was authorized under UN Resolution 1441. It's fairly well documented as are the prior and subsequent resolutions with regards to Iraq.
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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    The authorization of force using military means was authorized under UN Resolution 1441. It's fairly well documented as are the prior and subsequent resolutions with regards to Iraq.
    you are wasting your breath (metaphorically). He doesn't want to believe, and so he doesn't.

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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    The authorization of force using military means was authorized under UN Resolution 1441. It's fairly well documented as are the prior and subsequent resolutions with regards to Iraq.
    No. That is incorrect. It did not authorize the invasion of Iraq.

    Before the meeting took place, French president Jacques Chirac declared on March 10 that France would veto any resolution which would automatically lead to war. This caused open displays of dismay by the U.S. and British governments. The drive by Britain for unanimity and a "second resolution" was effectively abandoned at that point.

    In the leadup to the meeting, it became apparent that a majority of UNSC members would oppose any resolution leading to war. As a result, no such resolution was put to the Council.

    United Nations Security Council Resolution 1441 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Not only that, but it was not that the US could act when the US saw fit. A UN resolution is decided by the UN, not the US. Once the US said we will do it without the UN, with a coalition of the willing, they were no longer operating under any UN resolutions. They acted outside the UN, on their own authority, violating their agreement.

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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    you are wasting your breath (metaphorically). He doesn't want to believe, and so he doesn't.
    So speaks the believer.

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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No. That is incorrect. It did not authorize the invasion of Iraq.
    I clearly and succinctly said it authorized military force. At least pay attention.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not only that, but it was not that the US could act when the US saw fit. A UN resolution is decided by the UN, not the US. Once the US said we will do it without the UN, with a coalition of the willing, they were no longer operating under any UN resolutions. They acted outside the UN, on their own authority, violating their agreement.
    You want to live in your own reality - that's cool. But there are multiple resolutions that identify exactly was was voted on at the UN, and who authorized it (Security Council). I'm not going to argue settled and agreed upon history because you don't want to accept it as reality... it's there for all to read.


    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill
    you are wasting your breath (metaphorically). He doesn't want to believe, and so he doesn't.
    I'm doing it more to just push buttons than anything else... re-litigating the UN resolutions for Iraq with Boo is akin to convincing a person who thinks they are Abraham Lincoln that they're not. I do enjoy, at some level, watching the thought process and outright denial though, sad to say.
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