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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Except when it's conveniently agrees with you. Then it's not only proof, it absolutely right, both ethically and legally.
    For me personally, sure. If someone else believes the opposite, they are free to prove it in court.

    You have been arguing, in this thread, that what the court says is proof, and what the court says is the ONLY proof. Now, you're saying that it's not proof, and trying to weasal word it to make it appear that I've flip-flopped, and then ending by saying that the court is the authority (except when it isn't)
    What is proven in court is law, what is not proven in court or what is later appealed is not. It can not be illegal without it specifically violating a law, and the violation proven to have been perpetrated by the suspect. Thinking someone is guilty is not enough to be guilty. That's pretty simple, and there is no weaseling going on.

    It's absurd to say something was illegal and then disregard what illegal actually means.
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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Do your own homework
    lol, right.
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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    For me personally, sure. If someone else believes the opposite, they are free to prove it in court.
    But when you believe the opposite, it suddenly is not proof. (Except when it is)



    What is proven in court is law, what is not proven in court or what is later appealed is not.
    And now you're back to arguing "what the court says is proof".
    It can not be illegal without it specifically violating a law, and the violation proven to have been perpetrated by the suspect. Thinking someone is guilty is not enough to be guilty. That's pretty simple, and there is no weaseling going on.
    Still on the "OJ is innocent" bandwagon, I see


    It's absurd to say something was illegal and then disregard what illegal actually means.
    Unless we're talking about the definition of person when talking about abortion. Then it's OK to disregard what words actually mean

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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    But when you believe the opposite, it suddenly is not proof. (Except when it is)
    What I believe doesn't make something illegal or legal until I get a law passed or a decision overturned. This isn't a difficult legal concept, Sangha...you can get it.

    And now you're back to arguing "what the court says is proof".
    You don't know much about law, do you? Didn't you claim to be a janitor in a law office? Didn't you pick up something?

    Still on the "OJ is innocent" bandwagon, I see
    Was he proven guilty in a court of law? You can assume he's guilty all you want, but he's not until it's proven in court. Is Casey Anthony guilty?

    Unless we're talking about the definition of person when talking about abortion. Then it's OK to disregard what words actually mean
    What words did I disregard regarding the definition of person? You really have a hard time sticking to the subject, don't you?

    You have more positions than the Kama Sutra
    I do...lol.
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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    What I believe doesn't make something illegal or legal until I get a law passed or a decision overturned. This isn't a difficult legal concept, Sangha...you can get it.
    But you believe that what a court decides is proof, except when it isn't

    That's not difficult to figure out either. You've made your ever-changing positions (to suit the argument) quite clear


    Was he proven guilty in a court of law? You can assume he's guilty all you want, but he's not until it's proven in court. Is Casey Anthony guilty?
    Keep arguing that OJ is innocent. It really helps you sound credible


    What words did I disregard regarding the definition of person? You really have a hard time sticking to the subject, don't you?
    You ignore the legal definition of the word "person" and the dictionary definitions of the words "human", "human being", "human organism", "fetus" in order to dishonestly equate them with the word "person" as defined by law.
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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    What do you base "he got Saddam to destroy his WMDs"? For all you know, they were destroyed or moved a day before the invasion.
    We now know they never existed.

    We now know that the CIA source was a fraud.

    Do you not watch the news?

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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    We now know they never existed.

    We now know that the CIA source was a fraud.

    Do you not watch the news?
    If they never existed, how were they used against Iran and the Kurds?
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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    But you believe that what a court decides is proof, except when it isn't

    That's not difficult to figure out either. You've made your ever-changing positions (to suit the argument) quite clear
    What's not difficult to figure out is that someone can appear guilty and not be. That's why we have courts and a rule of law.

    Keep arguing that OJ is innocent. It really helps you sound credible
    How about Casey Anthony? Is she guilty?

    You ignore the legal definition of the word "person" and the dictionary definitions of the words "human", "human being", "human organism", "fetus" in order to dishonestly equate them with the word "person" as defined by law.
    I've never ignored the definition of any of those, despite the fact that we are not discussing aborting Iraq.
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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    What's not difficult to figure out is that someone can appear guilty and not be. That's why we have courts and a rule of law.



    How about Casey Anthony? Is she guilty?



    I've never ignored the definition of any of those, despite the fact that we are not discussing aborting Iraq.
    ah, but casey anthony is on topic
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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    ah, but casey anthony is on topic
    gotcha
    It's about the legal process, is it not? An example of guilt vs innocence? The whole world thought her just as guilty as OJ, but she was proven innocent in court. What's the difference between my point and Sangha's?
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