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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

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    Is a court decision proof?
    Until overturned or rescinded.
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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    "Iraq admitted, among other things, an offensive biological warfare capability, notably, 5,000 gallons of botulinum, which causes botulism; 2,000 gallons of anthrax; 25 biological-filled Scud warheads; and 157 aerial bombs. And I might say UNSCOM inspectors believe that Iraq has actually greatly understated its production.... Over the past few months, as [the weapons inspectors] have come closer and closer to rooting out Iraq's remaining nuclear capacity, Saddam has undertaken yet another gambit to thwart their ambitions by imposing debilitating conditions on the inspectors and declaring key sites which have still not been inspected off limits.... It is obvious that there is an attempt here, based on the whole history of this operation since 1991, to protect whatever remains of his capacity to produce weapons of mass destruction, the missiles to deliver them, and the feed stocks necessary to produce them. The UNSCOM inspectors believe that Iraq still has stockpiles of chemical and biological munitions, a small force of Scud-type missiles, and the capacity to restart quickly its production program and build many, many more weapons.... Now, let's imagine the future. What if he fails to comply and we fail to act, or we take some ambiguous third route, which gives him yet more opportunities to develop this program of weapons of mass destruction and continue to press for the release of the sanctions and continue to ignore the solemn commitments that he made? Well, he will conclude that the international community has lost its will. He will then conclude that he can go right on and do more to rebuild an arsenal of devastating destruction. And some day, some way, I guarantee you he'll use the arsenal...." President Clinton ~ February 1998.


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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Until overturned or rescinded.
    If a court decision is "proof", then how can it be "wrong" (as you have claimed many times in the past wrt Roe v Wade)?

    Do you believe that things that have been proven are wrong?
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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    "Iraq admitted, among other things, an offensive biological warfare capability, notably, 5,000 gallons of botulinum, which causes botulism; 2,000 gallons of anthrax; 25 biological-filled Scud warheads; and 157 aerial bombs. And I might say UNSCOM inspectors believe that Iraq has actually greatly understated its production.... Over the past few months, as [the weapons inspectors] have come closer and closer to rooting out Iraq's remaining nuclear capacity, Saddam has undertaken yet another gambit to thwart their ambitions by imposing debilitating conditions on the inspectors and declaring key sites which have still not been inspected off limits.... It is obvious that there is an attempt here, based on the whole history of this operation since 1991, to protect whatever remains of his capacity to produce weapons of mass destruction, the missiles to deliver them, and the feed stocks necessary to produce them. The UNSCOM inspectors believe that Iraq still has stockpiles of chemical and biological munitions, a small force of Scud-type missiles, and the capacity to restart quickly its production program and build many, many more weapons.... Now, let's imagine the future. What if he fails to comply and we fail to act, or we take some ambiguous third route, which gives him yet more opportunities to develop this program of weapons of mass destruction and continue to press for the release of the sanctions and continue to ignore the solemn commitments that he made? Well, he will conclude that the international community has lost its will. He will then conclude that he can go right on and do more to rebuild an arsenal of devastating destruction. And some day, some way, I guarantee you he'll use the arsenal...." President Clinton ~ February 1998.
    In 1998, and Clinton didn't invade. He got Saddam to destroy his WMDs and dismantle the WMD programs without invading.
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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    In 1998, and Clinton didn't invade. He got Saddam to destroy his WMDs and dismantle the WMD programs without invading.
    What do you base "he got Saddam to destroy his WMDs"? For all you know, they were destroyed or moved a day before the invasion. Regardless, if that were true, why was the ACT still active?
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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    If a court decision is "proof", then how can it be "wrong" (as you have claimed many times in the past wrt Roe v Wade)?

    Do you believe that things that have been proven are wrong?
    It can be ethically wrong, or a misapplication of law. In which case, it's appealed. However, until successfully appealed, it's law. Are you really going to try to disassemble the rule of law in order to make something illegal? If the coart has no authority, and if something is illegal because just anyone thinks it is....what's the court system for, actually?
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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    What do you base "he got Saddam to destroy his WMDs"? For all you know, they were destroyed or moved a day before the invasion. Regardless, if that were true, why was the ACT still active?
    Because UNSCOM and every other inspector said so.
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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    It can be ethically wrong, or a misapplication of law.
    Except when it's conveniently agrees with you. Then it's not only proof, it absolutely right, both ethically and legally.


    In which case, it's appealed. However, until successfully appealed, it's law. Are you really going to try to disassemble the rule of law in order to make something illegal? If the coart has no authority, and if something is illegal because just anyone thinks it is....what's the court system for, actually?
    You have been arguing, in this thread, that what the court says is proof, and what the court says is the ONLY proof. Now, you're saying that it's not proof, and trying to weasal word it to make it appear that I've flip-flopped, and then ending by saying that the court is the authority (except when it isn't)
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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Because UNSCOM and every other inspector said so.
    They said that before the 2003 Invasion of Iraq?
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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    They said that before the 2003 Invasion of Iraq?
    Do your own homework
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