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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    60+ years? That would mean that we occupied Germany and Iraq in the 21st century (although the prolonged occupation forces me to concede there.)

    The war itself was illegal under international law. Let's not call following UN charters "kissing ass."
    Yeah, 60+ years...we're still in Germany and Japan.

    What international body has deemed the war illegal? Has the UN pursued action against the US? Has Iraq sued in international court?
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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    As if freedom could possibly not be worth it. We didnt "break anything"; that place was dark ages. If there's anything to "fix", then I suppose we would have to install a genocidal dictator and ancient laws against women. Then again, when people support and promote physically abusing women (and even blame women for it)... then I suppose they do think that losing things like State-sanctioned FGM, Honor Killings, rape and other such niceties is "breaking something" that needs "fixing". Really, how someone can take that statement and apply it broadly to Iraq is just beyond me.

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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    As if freedom could possibly not be worth it.
    Their freedom is not worth our lives. If they want it, they must fight for it. Otherwise they will lack the resolve to keep it.
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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    A) no you don't
    B) to the extent that you would want it, they did.
    Signatories do. Sorry.

    No, they did not. Again, you are factually incorrect. I know you want to believe, I understand. But you are simply factually wrong.

    wow. an ad hominem and a preemptive ad sourcinem in lieu of actual facts or logic. Boo, you are outdoing yourself.
    Nope. Just recognizing thehistory of these conversations. Nothing more.

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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    So, in general, revolutionaries are without merit regardless of their motives?
    Not what she said.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    As if freedom could possibly not be worth it. We didnt "break anything"; that place was dark ages. If there's anything to "fix", then I suppose we would have to install a genocidal dictator and ancient laws against women. Then again, when people support and promote physically abusing women (and even blame women for it)... then I suppose they do think that losing things like State-sanctioned FGM, Honor Killings, rape and other such niceties is "breaking something" that needs "fixing". Really, how someone can take that statement and apply it broadly to Iraq is just beyond me.
    To add to the other response. over 100k lives is certainly breaking something. It is one thing is a people choose that fight and that cost. It is another to impose it on them, and then have the arrogance to tell them what was and what wasn't worth what.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...?
    The idea that the "world" agreed on the "intel" is ridiculous.
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    Most of the world knew that Saddam's WMD claims were bogus and this lead to the counties that make up the UN not sanctioning the invasion.

    What if ... said it perfectly. That there was some agreed upon intel that "Most of the world knew" is ridiculous.
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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by conservativeguy View Post
    Too soon to tell for me.
    I think we are going to need some time to see what happens next. If Iraq becomes a stable bulwark against Iranian hegemony in the region then yes, it was worth it. If it suffers from a transition into an Islamic fundamentalist theocracy then probably not.

    Declaring victory and running away has become a common trait in the American political system. That will make our next challenge all the harder.

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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Does Corporatism seem a bit more real in hindsight?
    No. Not really.

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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Only if we were unwilling to adapt. We have HUGE oil reserves. Canada has HUGE oil reserves. We have the biggest natural gas reserves in the world and could easily adapt . . .
    We clearly are unwilling to adapt. The one term Marxist president Barack Hussein Obama continues to run an illegal moratorium on oil drilling. We have not opened ANWR nor the rest of the continental US to exploration and drilling. His regime is dragging its feet to prevent a Canadian pipeline from being built here. Politically we have prevented nuclear energy instead of embracing it.

    What evidence do you see that we could for would have adapted?

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