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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Yes, it is. Very great. If another country came in and invaded us to give us freedom, I assure you we would not be happy. We would resist, and likely would have sided with the British. Like I said, you present a different means and not the same means.
    If we were invaded at the time of British rule part of the population would have sided with the invaders and part with the British. If you know history, you'll know that this is pretty much what happened anyway. Had the British won, then we'd now have a far different opinion of the war for independence (or the liberation of America).

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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    If we were invaded at the time of British rule part of the population would have sided with the invaders and part with the British. If you know history, you'll know that this is pretty much what happened anyway. Had the British won, then we'd now have a far different opinion of the war for independence (or the liberation of America).

    The difference is not that great. Perspective.
    No, that isn't what pretty much happened. We enlisted a few merchnaries, not a country invading. Then difference is huge.

    Also, you're numbers are likley off. I doubt we'd have divided so evenly. More likely much more would have sided with England. Few favor an invader.

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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, that isn't what pretty much happened. We enlisted a few merchnaries, not a country invading. Then difference is huge.

    Also, you're numbers are likley off. I doubt we'd have divided so evenly. More likely much more would have sided with England. Few favor an invader.
    I imagine the numbers wouldn't have been all that different. Some favored independence, some favored allegiance to the King. As for the rest of what you said, you don't seem to know the history. Are you forgetting France later in the war? Assume that France invaded to initiate the war, and assume they had the same stated goal we had in Iraq. Had the war been won by the invader, and they left as promised....what would be so different about America today? Hypothetically, of course.
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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I imagine the numbers wouldn't have been all that different. Some favored independence, some favored allegiance to the King. As for the rest of what you said, you don't seem to know the history. Are you forgetting France later in the war? Assume that France invaded to initiate the war, and assume they had the same stated goal we had in Iraq. Had the war been won by the invader, and they left as promised....what would be so different about America today? Hypothetically, of course.
    but his is a key difference

    france did NOT invade
    france did NOT occupy
    an outside army did NOT win our independence

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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    but his is a key difference

    france did NOT invade
    france did NOT occupy
    an outside army did NOT win our independence

    pity that needed to be pointed out
    We absolutely would not have won without France's support. Early in the war, we depended on their arms and gunpowder, and later their direct action. France didn't occupy after the war because it was unneeded. Again, the difference is mainly perspective.
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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I imagine the numbers wouldn't have been all that different. Some favored independence, some favored allegiance to the King. As for the rest of what you said, you don't seem to know the history. Are you forgetting France later in the war? Assume that France invaded to initiate the war, and assume they had the same stated goal we had in Iraq. Had the war been won by the invader, and they left as promised....what would be so different about America today? Hypothetically, of course.
    It's not about independence or the king. That's the flaw in your thinking. It's about an outsider invading.

    we would not ahve liked an invader, period. Had they left, with a base in our country, like with iraq, I doubt we'd be all that happy, and it would have changed things drastically. America would have had much more french influence, and who knows where that would have led us. No, the two examples are very different. Too different to be compared.

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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by a777pilot View Post
    Actually I did. They never said what the questions were they actually asked nor the method and sequence of questions asked.
    That's funny, because when I go to the Pew site it says this:

    The Veterans Survey (V)
    The attitudes of veterans reported in this study are based on a nationally representative sample of 1,853 men and women who served in the military and are no longer on active duty. The sample included 1,134 who were discharged from the military prior to Sept. 11, 2001, and 712 veterans who served after 9/11. (Seven veterans declined to answer when they served.)

    The margin of sampling error for results based on the entire sample of veterans is plus or minus 3.5 percentage points; the margin of sampling error for the pre-9/11 sample is plus or minus 3.9 percentage points; and the margin of sampling error for those who served after 9/11 is plus or minus 5.7 percentage points.

    Veterans were interviewed by telephone or via the internet. A total of 1,639 interviews were conducted over the telephone under the direction of Social Science Research Solutions (SSRS). Respondents had been identified as veterans in earlier surveys conducted by SSRS and the Pew Research Center and were re-contacted for the veterans survey. Of the total sample, 1,307 telephone interviews were conducted on landline telephones and 332 on cell phones. Interviewing for the telephone survey was conducted from July 28 to Sept. 4, 2011. These interviews were supplemented by 214 interviews with veterans who served after 9/11 and are part of random sample panel of households maintained by the research firm Knowledge Networks. These online interviews were collected Aug. 18-31, 2011.

    The two data sets were combined and the entire sample weighted by SSRS to match known demographic characteristics of the veterans population as reported by the U.S. Census Bureau. In addition, the post-9/11 oversample was weighted back to reflect its correct proportion of the overall veterans population. A detailed explanation of the survey methodologies and weighting strategy employed in this study is in Appendix 1.

    For the full report:

    War and Sacrifice in the Post-9/11 Era | Pew Social & Demographic Trends
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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    That's funny, because when I go to the Pew site it says this:

    The Veterans Survey (V)
    The attitudes of veterans reported in this study are based on a nationally representative sample of 1,853 men and women who served in the military and are no longer on active duty. The sample included 1,134 who were discharged from the military prior to Sept. 11, 2001, and 712 veterans who served after 9/11. (Seven veterans declined to answer when they served.)

    The margin of sampling error for results based on the entire sample of veterans is plus or minus 3.5 percentage points; the margin of sampling error for the pre-9/11 sample is plus or minus 3.9 percentage points; and the margin of sampling error for those who served after 9/11 is plus or minus 5.7 percentage points.

    Veterans were interviewed by telephone or via the internet. A total of 1,639 interviews were conducted over the telephone under the direction of Social Science Research Solutions (SSRS). Respondents had been identified as veterans in earlier surveys conducted by SSRS and the Pew Research Center and were re-contacted for the veterans survey. Of the total sample, 1,307 telephone interviews were conducted on landline telephones and 332 on cell phones. Interviewing for the telephone survey was conducted from July 28 to Sept. 4, 2011. These interviews were supplemented by 214 interviews with veterans who served after 9/11 and are part of random sample panel of households maintained by the research firm Knowledge Networks. These online interviews were collected Aug. 18-31, 2011.

    The two data sets were combined and the entire sample weighted by SSRS to match known demographic characteristics of the veterans population as reported by the U.S. Census Bureau. In addition, the post-9/11 oversample was weighted back to reflect its correct proportion of the overall veterans population. A detailed explanation of the survey methodologies and weighting strategy employed in this study is in Appendix 1.

    For the full report:

    War and Sacrifice in the Post-9/11 Era | Pew Social & Demographic Trends
    Then I was right. We still have no idea what the questions asked were or the order in which they were asked. Good to know. Thanks.
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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by a777pilot View Post
    Then I was right. We still have no idea what the questions asked were or the order in which they were asked. Good to know. Thanks.
    Not if you don't take the time to read Appendix 1.

    And where are any surveys that say a majority did not think it was worth it? I've asked you 3 times now and you've provided nothing to document your claim.
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