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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Different war, different question.
    No, we're talking about the "ends don't justify the means" as applied to war. This is of course, bunk.
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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Of course it was. It was also our war. If the Iraqi people wanted their independence it was up to them to first start the fight.
    They did start the fight, there had been resistance movements bent on overthrowing Iraq and the Ba'athists from nearly the time he gained power.
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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    No, we're talking about the "ends don't justify the means" as applied to war. This is of course, bunk.
    The original question, as I interpreted it, was whether or not the Iraq war specifically was worth it for US (the word "us", not U.S., though in this case it's one and the same). From our sole point-of-view. Not a generic question regarding war in general. Hence, your question would be more appropriate and on-tropic for a thread of its own.

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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    The original question, as I interpreted it, was whether or not the Iraq war specifically was worth it for US (the word "us", not U.S., though in this case it's one and the same). From our sole point-of-view. Not a generic question regarding war in general. Hence, your question would be more appropriate and on-tropic for a thread of its own.
    Sure, but in the course of the conversation, other points are made. That's what I was addressing.
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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Of course is wasn't worth it. 200,000 civilians are dead because of it. Iraq is being ripped apart by terrorism. There has been several times as much torture in Iraq post invasion than there was before.
    Number one, I would like to know where everyone is getting these death counts. I look at the internet and some people say 100,000, some say 1,000,000. Which is it? Also, I was there twice for a total of 1 year 7 months and I remember civilians being killed by the dozens by terrorists, not us. That crap was happening before we went and is still happening now that we are gone.
    Iraq is actually not being "torn apart" by terrorism though, despite the threat of it being there. We all have to realize that Iraq is going to be shaky the first few years we are gone. Everyone is going to point the finger at them and say they can't stand on their own when we so soon forget about our own past after we won independence. US Civil War, ring a bell anyone?
    What torture do you speak of? Again, show proof instead of just spouting off liberal media hyperbole.
    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    We're out well over a trillion dollars. The war was launched based on a series of blatant lies. We all know that now. There were no WMD, there was no link to Al Qaeda (but there is now- we created it), and the pretense that we did it to stop Saddam from torturing people is just disgusting in retrospect considering that we tortured many times as many people as he was. It's all down side. It was the worst decision made by the US government since Vietnam.
    Again, show proof of the lies you speak of. What torture? The news media overwhelmingly believed Iraq had WMD's just like I did and I'm sure you did. Saddam gave no proof he didn't have them and made no effort to provide that proof. He wanted everyone to think he did as part of some sort of sick "mine's bigger than your's" intimidation game. There actually was a big link to Al-Qaeda in Iraq because it was a safe haven for terrorists. I wouldn't say that it was the worst decision since Vietnam, that would be Obamacare.
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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Actually Saddam did turn out to not only have WMD's, but also to have the illegal missiles that everyone seems to forget about. What he didn't have were active production lines.

    As for the numbers, I've seen alot of folks make them up, and I've seen plenty jump on the flawed British study who later admitted that their methodology basically consisted of asking around if anyone had seen some dead civilians, and counting stories ("my cousin told me a neighbor of his has a friend who saw Americans kill 300 people in a village to the north") rather than actual bodies.
    Last edited by cpwill; 12-23-11 at 10:05 AM.

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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    and people say all the hawks care about is oil.
    I care about truth, fairness and what works not some simple minded labels of "us vs them", so I can raise myself up at the cost of others. I don't see the Iraq War as any big success for the US or Iraqi's, period. You say state the facts and yet you twist the meaning of the "Monroe Doctrine", which was to keep the old world of European countries out of the Americas and new countries forming and to keep America out of Europe. The Doctrine noted that the United States would neither interfere with existing European colonies nor meddle in the internal concerns of European countries. Besides the Manifest Destiny interpretation by president Polk to spread west the other presidents have used it as a reason for defense of American interests, not colonial imperialism. An Empire is a geographically extensive group of states and peoples united and ruled either by a monarch or an oligarchy. We may have started out as a representative republic but have since also instituted a representative democracy with amendments to the U.S. Constitution. The Bill of Rights guaranteed limits to the power of the federal government. You can try calling a newly formed country and government from the old world a spreading empire in current times and though it seems that way it doesn't mean all Americans agree with our foreign policies.

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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    It was worth it till the current Fool and the rest of the Democrat Party gave it away very much like the Democrats of the 1970's.
    I came into this world fighting, screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I have no problem going out the same way.

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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    1. UN Charter < US Constitution in terms of legitimizing United States political acts.
    2. Saddam Hussein was in violation of UN Security Council Resolution 660, UN Security Council Resolution 661, UN Security Council Resolution 678, UN Security Council Resolution 686, UN Security Council Resolution 687, UN Security Council Resolution 688, UN Security Council Resolution 707, UN Security Council Resolution 715, UN Security Council Resolution 986, and UN Security Council Resolution 1284.
    3. Ergo, UN Security Council 1441 gave Saddam Hussein "a final opportunity" to comply. He refused, we enforced the "serious consequences" it promised him for that refusal.

    If the US needed it (which it didn't), we did indeed have the added justification of enforcing the UN Security Resolutions.
    Wrong, they ahd to have the sercurity council OK to invade. You do misrepresent much, often.


    then either your recollection is poor, or you attended the public education system, and your education was poor. The Founding Fathers spoke openly and proudly of a future American Empire, which they envisioned as naturally taking over Canada and moving southward through Cuba, westward to the coast, and onward. Hamilton in particular thought that one day the United States would rule over both the North and South American continents. The Founding Fathers dispatched the Navy and United States Marine Corps to overthrow foreign nations for acts of international lawlessness (gosh, that sounds familiar), and certainly didn't seem to be particularly above the notion that the system of government they were setting up would refrain from conquering people for the purpose of spreading our territory, our control, and our ideals (feel free to check with the Native American tribes on this). Monroe has a Doctrine named after him for a reason.
    Frankly, as noted above, it is often you who are wrong. But by all means present information. I'm sure you have an NRO article that completely misrepresents the truth to present.

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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Was our war for independence "worth it"?
    Dofferent situation. No one came in and brought us independence. We took it, decided for ourselves. That makes a difference, and changes the means. So try again.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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