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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    I'm all for Amurica kicking butt when we're attacked but Iraq? What an exercise in futility and flop sweat. Like Powell said "you break it, you bought it" and what a defective product. Second largest oil reserves in the world untapped because of wars. It could be over 200 billion barrels but they only have 2000 wells drilled compared to the 1 million in Texas alone. Bet that could drive down the price of crude for awhile.

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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    78 people voted yes, it was worth it. I have been reading the thread and haven't seen a single argument presented as to how America is better off as a result of the war. Did I miss something here?
    I can answer that.
    A) I saw earlier that if we would have waited on Iran and Iraq to fight, we wouldn't have had to do it and it would have kept Iran from getting a nuke. That sounds good in theory (no sarcasm, it really does), however, a war between Iraq and Iran had already been fought to a stand-still and Iran was still trying to get a nuke. That is why that theory was probably shot down in our gov't. I believe one of the reasons we attacked Iraq is that it could be a staging area to attack Iran later, if need be. Iraq has said they wouldn't let us use their country but I promise you if we threaten to cut off the funding we give them if they don't, we'll be staging in Diyala Province in no time. This is not unprecedented. We did the same in Germany and Japan after we beat them to stave off Stalin. You have to hold the ground you fight for.
    B) I really believe we had what was thought to be good intel about WMD's in Iraq. Now, we all know that was false, but I think our gov't had intel they thought was credible then. You have to remember, we didn't have the massive intelligence capability then that we do now. It wasn't as easy to see what they had. The UN couldn't even see what they had on inspections.
    C) I believe Saddam wanted everyone to think he had a nuke or something similar so he could maintain power in the region. If Saddam came out and admitted he didn't have anything, we would have left him alone, but Iran and other countries may have come after him for the way he had acted all the years before. He played a game of chicken with Bush because he thought he would blink like Clinton did. He thought wrong. I was a part of the '03 invasion and while his military could probably stir up trouble with other military's in the region, they had nothing for us. They were at least 15 years (being generous) behind in military tech.
    D) Oil may have had a big thing to do with it. I have never seen proof of this, but it is a valid theory. Fighting for resources is a very touchy subject and one that I would hesistate to say is a valid reason for going to war. Now, if it was seen as a secondary benefit to one of the purposes above, I see nothing wrong with that.

    I don't believe, like a lot of other people on here, that Iraq was some big conspiracy. I think it was a huge swing and miss as far as the WMD's go, but, I do think we went to war with honest intentions. There have been many instances in history where a country entered war or battle with mistaken intelligence. This will probably be one of the biggest ones for the history books. I would say this though. I believe the risk was worth it. You have to agree that everyone in the world thought the guy had WMD's because of how secretive he was about it. Who in their right mind would play chicken with the largest and most capable military in the world just to fool people? A mad man, that's who.
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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Was our war for independence "worth it"?
    Of course it was. It was also our war. If the Iraqi people wanted their independence it was up to them to first start the fight.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Whether or not you agree with the effort to keep Iraq from collapsing right back into another despotic regime or not, you can't compare it with establishing a colony by force.
    We went in there, we took out their government, we oversaw the development of their new government and made sure it would be "ok". Yes, we made some pretense that we'd leave and that Iraq would be run by Iraqi's; but there are certainly similarities.

    BTW, what do you do if the Iraqi's wanted to have another "despotic" regime?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The UN charter is fact. We signed it is fact. It lists how signature nations can invade. Fact.
    1. UN Charter < US Constitution in terms of legitimizing United States political acts.
    2. Saddam Hussein was in violation of UN Security Council Resolution 660, UN Security Council Resolution 661, UN Security Council Resolution 678, UN Security Council Resolution 686, UN Security Council Resolution 687, UN Security Council Resolution 688, UN Security Council Resolution 707, UN Security Council Resolution 715, UN Security Council Resolution 986, and UN Security Council Resolution 1284.
    3. Ergo, UN Security Council 1441 gave Saddam Hussein "a final opportunity" to comply. He refused, we enforced the "serious consequences" it promised him for that refusal.

    If the US needed it (which it didn't), we did indeed have the added justification of enforcing the UN Security Resolutions.

    The founding fathers could not have foreseen evrything, but as I recall, they were not too in favor of imperialists acts overseas.
    then either your recollection is poor, or you attended the public education system, and your education was poor. The Founding Fathers spoke openly and proudly of a future American Empire, which they envisioned as naturally taking over Canada and moving southward through Cuba, westward to the coast, and onward. Hamilton in particular thought that one day the United States would rule over both the North and South American continents. The Founding Fathers dispatched the Navy and United States Marine Corps to overthrow foreign nations for acts of international lawlessness (gosh, that sounds familiar), and certainly didn't seem to be particularly above the notion that the system of government they were setting up would refrain from conquering people for the purpose of spreading our territory, our control, and our ideals (feel free to check with the Native American tribes on this). Monroe has a Doctrine named after him for a reason.

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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Of course it was. It was also our war. If the Iraqi people wanted their independence it was up to them to first start the fight.
    they tried that. you may recall we stood by and did nothing while Saddam Hussein massacred his people?

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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    I'm all for Amurica kicking butt when we're attacked but Iraq? What an exercise in futility and flop sweat. Like Powell said "you break it, you bought it" and what a defective product. Second largest oil reserves in the world untapped because of wars. It could be over 200 billion barrels but they only have 2000 wells drilled compared to the 1 million in Texas alone. Bet that could drive down the price of crude for awhile.
    and people say all the hawks care about is oil.

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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Of course is wasn't worth it. 200,000 civilians are dead because of it. Iraq is being ripped apart by terrorism. There has been several times as much torture in Iraq post invasion than there was before. We're out well over a trillion dollars. The war was launched based on a series of blatant lies. We all know that now. There were no WMD, there was no link to Al Qaeda (but there is now- we created it), and the pretense that we did it to stop Saddam from torturing people is just disgusting in retrospect considering that we tortured many times as many people as he was. It's all down side. It was the worst decision made by the US government since Vietnam.

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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Was our war for independence "worth it"?
    Different war, different question.

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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    We went in there, we took out their government, we oversaw the development of their new government and made sure it would be "ok". Yes, we made some pretense that we'd leave and that Iraq would be run by Iraqi's; but there are certainly similarities.

    BTW, what do you do if the Iraqi's wanted to have another "despotic" regime?
    How would you know if they wanted one?
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