“Mr. Speaker, I once again find myself compelled to vote against the annual budget resolution for a very simple reason: it makes government bigger.” ― Ron Paul
Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of Liberty. – Thomas Jefferson
As for you not getting facts, again, tell yourself what you have to. But that doesn't change the facts, or make what you say true.
AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.
Let's see ... Iraq has a tremendous crime rate, on a daily base, more than 100 people get murdered. The standard of living is horrid, due to massive crime and corruption. The different ethnic/religious factions are not united, but there are strong tensions which might likely result in civil war, once the US are out. Chances are the Shia majority will lean towards Iran, making Iraq a new strong ally for Iran and possibly start oppressing the Sunnis.
Although more civilians have died since 2003 in Iraq than during 25 years of Saddam's rule, and although crime is rampant, maybe the new freedom is worth it for the Iraqi people, although even this is questionable (freedom won't fill your belly, and it will not protect you from robbers and extremists murdering you either).
But even if Iraqis might say it was worth it, was it really worth it for us in the West?
The mission has costed more than 1.3 trillion $US, IIRC. And the result doesn't look much better, rather worse than what you got in the Arab countries which toppled their governments recently. The standing of the US was severely damaged, and for good reason. And geostrategically, not much was won (see Iran). And we're bitterly missing the money that was burnt on Iraqi sand now (just think what you could do with additional 1.3 trillion these days).
So no, it was not worth it, IMO.
"Not learning from mistakes is worse than committing mistakes. When you don't allow yourself to make mistakes, it is hard to be tolerant of others and it does not allow even God to be merciful."
Those 75 who state that the Iraq War was "worth it" do not place much value on human life, do they???
I voted no for many reasons, but chief among them is the hubris of thinking we could change a culture from without. That change has to come from within. All we have done is to remove the cork from the bottle, and what comes bubbling out has everything to do with who they are and little to do with their wanting to be like us.
"you're better off on Stormfront discussing how evil brown men are taking innocent white flowers." Infinite Chaos