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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yes the decade of involvement was more imperial means than military ones; yes. But still...was there a point? Was it worth it?
    Imperial? Didn't I just read that we're leaving? Maybe I'm confused.
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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    385 casualties in the Spanish American war? how did they manage that?
    USS Maine (ACR-1) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The sinking of the USS Maine was a large chunk of that.
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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Platypus View Post
    According to Wikileaks, 63% of Iraq War causalities have been civilian. That is NOT worth it. Bush and Blair are guilty of war crimes and should be tried for them. This is not a fringe view. Many Iraqis and American veterans are aware of the atrocities committed there and some international courts have called for their arrest.

    And that 63% is not even counting all those who have died due to lack of necessities that the "shock and awe" campaign intentionally destroyed to cripple the country.

    Anyone who can justify that is simply sick in the head.
    You think a site dedicated to espionage is credible?
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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Cute, but the fact remains that water boarding isn't torture...and that is what was being addressed. Furthermore, it doesn't matter what the military think on the issue, it was them doing it or being ordered to do it.
    I'm afraid you ahve your factswrong, waterboarding is and always has been torture. You fool yourself into thinking it isn't so you can justify torture. But a lie, even to ones self, is still just a lie.


    In the first on the page your link points to is an inaccuracy. All you have shown is some conjecture about why some group thinks it may have been misleading. You have nothing to substantiate that the US reputation "is in tatters".
    Again, tell yourself what you must, but the actual facts don't change.

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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    USS Maine (ACR-1) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The sinking of the USS Maine was a large chunk of that.
    I was surprised that the causualties where not higher considering the amount of terrtory seized etc.

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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Just got back from a long weekend. Have not read the thread at all yet, but I know my answer.

    No!!!

    I was skeptical when it started, and time has just reinforced and solidified my opinion.

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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I'm afraid you ahve your factswrong, waterboarding is and always has been torture. You fool yourself into thinking it isn't so you can justify torture. But a lie, even to ones self, is still just a lie.
    Dude, I've been waterboarded in training...

    Again, tell yourself what you must, but the actual facts don't change.
    You haven't presented any facts, just conjecture, talking points and rumor...
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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    It was for the corporate shills... but not really anyone else. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqs dead as "collateral", a civilization reduced to rubble yet again, American soldiers lost defending oil fields and attacking "insurgents" (a.k.a Iraqi civilians who are fed up), and hundreds of billions of dollars of tax payer money. It was a pretty costly war for one that shouldn't have happened in the first place, but did because of upper level lies and deceit.
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    Yeah, all the insurgents I killed were Iraqi. Care to see all the passports from the '03 invasion I collected from Yemen, Syria, Chechnya, Iran, etc that had the reason for their visit listed ON THE PASSPORT as jihad? Or how about the Columbia University trained surgeon from Saudi we found. Or how about the Iranian made and planted EFP (Google that, nasty stuff) that blew my vehicle up and when I woke up my feet were on the pavement because the entire front end of my truck was gone. Yep, all those Iraqi's man. Wish they wouldn't have danced in the streets when we came in '03. Wish they wouldn't have fed me in their homes everynight in '07 when I was an advisor to the Iraqi Army and we didn't have anywhere to sleep.
    Im really glad I fought for that discount in oil we got....oh wait....there wasn't any. Prices are pretty high. I remember the Rumalyah Oil Fields too. Yeah, there wasn't any bases down there. They just left those things undefended!! How dare those Generals not figure out the war was for oil. I guess we didn't think we should be doing that. I know, I fought for KBR. Dick Cheney's company. Oh wait, if it wasn't for them we wouldn't have had food, water, or a bathroom because they built infrastructure so Marines and soldiers could go fight. I can't believe they had the nerve to take those jobs so we could go fight the war! Tell you what else really pissed me off. Having to stand there for days on end and guard construction workers while we built that prison/well/road/hospital. I thought we were just there to destroy everything and there I was actually helping them.
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    I'm tired of you liberal panty waists talking about us "poor servicemembers" that had to fight "for oil and greedy politicians". I volunteered to go kill terrorists because it pissed me off they ran a plane into one of our buildings. Period. I was already a Marine in 2001 when that happened and had a re-enlistment coming up. Guess when that re-enlistment happened? December 2002. Guess when I went to Iraq. February 2003. I knew, as did everyone around me, what I was getting into and I was all about it. My unit had over 70 out of 110 Marines that could have gotten out of the Marine Corps right before the invasion of Iraq. They all were hitting their 4 year mark around December of 2002. Guess what? NOT ONE GUY got out. We all believed in what we were doing. I know you guys (libs) can't grasp this concept: If someone hits you in the mouth, you hit them back. Thats what we did and we continue to do. If they want to hate Americans, we want them to hate us, the servicemember so they can't inflict their hate on you, the panty waist liberal. After all, if we, the rugged individuals, sat back and let you, the panty waist liberals, decide when to fight we'd all be speaking with an English accent/German/Japanese/Arabic right now huh?
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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Dude, I've been waterboarded in training...
    As have I. It isn't that bad
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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Dude, I've been waterboarded in training...
    ...by people you knew were on your side and wouldn't allow any real harm to come to you.

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