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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You said it right here. Militarily speaking, the air crew don't qualify as, "troops".
    Well, being Aircrew, I disagree with that. Both from a personal perspective and a legal one.
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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I have shown it many times over the years. From many different sources. But here's what todays quick search shows:

    The report shows that there was strong opposition to those four corners -- which were established by Bush administration and justice department lawyers -- from the military, which argued that the behavior it purported to justify was illegal.

    Bush Administration Ignored Military's Strong Opposition To Torture Program

    . . . this letter from 38 other military leaders, including two former Chairmen of the Joint Chiefs of Staff - Generals John Shalikasvili and John Vessey.

    Armchair Generalist: 38 Retired Military Leaders Against Torture

    Veteran's Against Torture

    Just the first few from a search. There is more, and you should knnow that.
    Well, I'd say consider the source...but that would fall on deaf ears. What you have is a very small number of military members complaining. You need to realize how many served, and regardless, this has nothing to do with how we are actually perceived by non-US peoples.

    Do you need links to our agreements with the UN as well? Really?
    I'd like to see what you think substantiates your claim, sure.
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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Well, I'd say consider the source...but that would fall on deaf ears. What you have is a very small number of military members complaining. You need to realize how many served, and regardless, this has nothing to do with how we are actually perceived by non-US peoples.
    No, PBS did a film on this and the military was largely behind the objections. I claimed the military opposed it, and supported that. But think for a minute, if we say the bad guys torture and that is in part why they are bad, do you really believe they look at us and say oh, that's cool? Or if we do go to war with a real country, how can we argue they should not torture our people? We've certainly showed we will.

    I'd like to see what you think substantiates your claim, sure.
    Start here. I have to go for a while.

    http://www.hrcr.org/hottopics/Iraq.html
    Last edited by Boo Radley; 12-18-11 at 10:22 PM.

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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, PBS did a film on this and the military was largely behind the objections. I claimed the military opposed it, and supported that. But think for a minute, if we say the bad guys torture and that is in part why they are bad, do you really believe they look at us and say oh, that's cool? Or if we do go to war with a real country, how can we argue they should not torture our people? We've certainly showed we will.
    Do you know how many people are in the military? And who supports torture? But you should also ask how many think waterboarding is torture....you'll get different feedback.

    Start here. I have to go for a while.

    The War on Iraq: Legal Issues
    Despite some opinions based on not so accurate statements, this doesn't say anything of any real value and doesn't reflect anything about our reputation on the world stage. IF we were in violation of the UN, why did they do nothing to stop us? Why did the majority of the UN join us in the invasion?

    By the way...according to the BBC, world opinion of the US is generally improving. http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pi..._Apr10_rpt.pdf
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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Do you know how many people are in the military? And who supports torture? But you should also ask how many think waterboarding is torture....you'll get different feedback.
    As I was a solider, I hope far fewer than you think. I served with honorable people, and there is no honor in torture. But I'm speaking about a poll. I'm speaking to the fact it was military leaders who resisted this violation of law.

    Despite some opinions based on not so accurate statements, this doesn't say anything of any real value and doesn't reflect anything about our reputation on the world stage. IF we were in violation of the UN, why did they do nothing to stop us? Why did the majority of the UN join us in the invasion?

    By the way...according to the BBC, world opinion of the US is generally improving. http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pi..._Apr10_rpt.pdf

    Tell yourself what you must, but there is very little actually inaccurate in what I gave you, and there is more if you look, Improving BTW doesn't mean good. And you might want to look closer at those graphs.

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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    As I was a solider, I hope far fewer than you think. I served with honorable people, and there is no honor in torture. But I'm speaking about a poll. I'm speaking to the fact it was military leaders who resisted this violation of law.
    Cute, but the fact remains that water boarding isn't torture...and that is what was being addressed. Furthermore, it doesn't matter what the military think on the issue, it was them doing it or being ordered to do it.

    Tell yourself what you must, but there is very little actually inaccurate in what I gave you, and there is more if you look, Improving BTW doesn't mean good. And you might want to look closer at those graphs.
    In the first on the page your link points to is an inaccuracy. All you have shown is some conjecture about why some group thinks it may have been misleading. You have nothing to substantiate that the US reputation "is in tatters".
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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    What was the point of that near decade long war again?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    What was the point of that near decade long war again?
    The reality is that the war was really quite short, the majority of that "near decade" was spent supporting the new government and protecting it from insurgents.
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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    No...never was.

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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Got rid of Saddam. We don't have to worry about him invading his neighbors every few years.
    crazy. we took care of that problem quite easily. it didn't take losing 4500 soldiers to stop him.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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