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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    The 'War with Iraq" was definitely worth it. It was well planned, well executed, over in days and ousted a brutal dictator. Had they properly managed post-war ops and executed a timely withdrawal, we would have been gone by 2008 and the region would be a far more stable place.
    You know what they say, Vance. Taking territory is easy. Holding it is hard.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    According to the fab four (Bush, Cheney, Rice, and Powell), the war in Iraq kept us from finding out that the smoking gun was a mushroom cloud. After all, they had information from a top secret operative liar, code named Sleeze Ball.

    Colon Powell had actual satellite photographs of Iraqi factories that were producing WMDs like they were going out of style. This was obvious because they showed truck movement at night. Only the US and our allies are allowed to work at night.

    We had a whole coalition of allies ready to battle the axis of evil and show off military prowess in a shock and awe campaign against a man who had tried to kill W's Daddy.

    Those three things alone make it clear to me that the Iraq war was not only necessary, but prudent.

    But don't ask an armchair General like me, ask a Vet who will never need to buy socks again.
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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    You know what they say, Vance. Taking territory is easy. Holding it is hard.
    Holding it was never the objective. We just did a lousy job of post war stabilization. They held elections 2 years after the war. We should have told them they had 5 years to establish a government, police force, and re-train their military. Proper motivation, I have no doubt they could have done it as well by 2008 as they can tomorrow.

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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    The cost of oil was supposed to go down, if we "liberated" Iraq.
    Who told you that? And do you think Iraq is more liberal today than under Saddam.



    Quote Originally Posted by Blackstone View Post
    ...We should have turned Iraq into a vassal state, setting up a U.S. military-run government under which we provided security for the Iraqi people, establish Western institutions, introduce and protect religious diversity and train both civilian and military personnel in Western administrative techniques and values. The Iraqi people, precisely because they are Muslim, are unsuited for democratic institutions and the instability of the current regime and its susceptibility to becoming another Iranian puppet state are proof enough that we don't understand the fundamental nature of Muslim theology, Arab culture or the unsuitability of either for self-rule as a peaceful member within the community of nations...

    Iraq didn't need democracy. It needed a de-Islamification.
    For the record, I'm a bigtime hawk but I'm not with that.



    I think we did as well as can be expected given the unprecidented nature of the endeavor and the almost total lack of social capital (educated and non-brainwashed people) remaining in the country.
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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackstone View Post
    ...The Iraqi people, precisely because they are Muslim, are unsuited for democratic institutions and the instability of the current regime and its susceptibility to becoming another Iranian puppet state are proof enough that we don't understand the fundamental nature of Muslim theology, Arab culture or the unsuitability of either for self-rule as a peaceful member within the community of nations...

    ...Iraq didn't need democracy. It needed a de-Islamification.
    wow, you seem to view Islam as no different than Naziism. Sorry to hear that, as its illogical, bigoted, & ignorant.

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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    You're opening a far bigger discussion about the worldwide struggle against communism and the associated paranoia. Regardless of the relationship with South Korea/Vietnam...they were our allies and they requested assistance.



    The answer is yes. If they felt we were conducting an unjustified act, they surely had the right. The reality is that not to many people were Saddam's fans regardless of the few that benefited from his empowerment. Even they knew he was a scourge. An even greater truth is that there are not too many countries willing to risk open engagement with the US over any issue, no matter how "right" they think it is.

    Besides, America's government's first responsibility is to protect America's interests. No matter how unsavory the idea of "fighting for oil" is...oil is a fundamental resource in the American economy, and loosing it would could grievous harm to the country. Sure, our dependence on it is mostly our own fault, but it doesn't change the fact that we are dependent on it. Beyond this, America is moving toward supporting the spread of Democracy, and that's not a bad thing. History shows that Democratic governments rarely engage each other in warfare. Promoting the spread of Democracy is necessary in the spread of world peace.


    To me, the biggest disappointment is that we have not established a permanent presence in Iraq and the middle east as a result of this war, like we did in Europe and Asia following WWII. A dominant US presence has already shown to be a stabilizing force in both Europe and Asia, and would have been the same in the Middle east.
    In this INTERNET age, I think that its no longer necessary for us to have direct military presences, anywhere.

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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    wow, you seem to view Islam as no different than Naziism. Sorry to hear that, as its illogical, bigoted, & ignorant.
    There is a problem with extremeism..without this, its possible for a Muslim nation to have their own brand of democracy....and it would be similar to ours of 200 years ago...

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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    We didn't kill anywhere near what he did, on a per year or per decade basis. They got NOTHING for all the millions of murders under Saddam. At least they got something for this - freedom.
    Wonder why half the country was shooting back...

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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    There is a problem with extremeism..without this, its possible for a Muslim nation to have their own brand of democracy....and it would be similar to ours of 200 years ago...
    Turkey is a democracy. And they are a mostly Muslim nation.

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    Re: Was the War in Iraq worth it?

    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post
    Wonder why half the country was shooting back...
    De-baathification. Possibly the single WORST idea in the aftermath of a war in recent history. A lot of people belonged to the Baath party because that was how you got ahead in Saddam's Iraq. It's like working at a major corporation here. If you kiss enough ass and tell the CEO how great his ideas are you'll go somewhere, even if you think he's a doofus when he's not looking.

    Then the Americans came in and said "anyone who was in the Baath party is out," which was anyone who had gotten anywhere in the past 30 years.


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