View Poll Results: Do white supremacist web sites serve an important purpose?

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  • No, it would be better if none existed.

    6 15.00%
  • Yes, at least they prove that racism is alive and well so that we don't forget

    4 10.00%
  • They're important for free speech, even if that speech is ugly

    28 70.00%
  • I agree with the white supremacists and am therefore glad that the sites are there

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    Re: Do white supremacist web sites serve an important purpose?

    Voted for teh third option.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

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    Re: Do white supremacist web sites serve an important purpose?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    I've checked some of them out just out of morbid curiosity. I know most people's first reaction is to wish that garbage didn't even exist, but perhaps they do at least serve one purpose. We might be inclined to think that because of civil rights successes, we've moved past racism. However, those web sites at least confirm that racism is alive and well. They at least remind us that racism still must be dealt with.

    What do you think?
    Actually, when it comes to racism, Stormfronters and Klanners are the least of our problems in my opinion. Far more pervasive is "subtle/covert racism" or the so-called "new racism." At least the hardcore racists are blatant and honest about their views.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Do white supremacist web sites serve an important purpose?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    I've checked some of them out just out of morbid curiosity. I know most people's first reaction is to wish that garbage didn't even exist, but perhaps they do at least serve one purpose. We might be inclined to think that because of civil rights successes, we've moved past racism. However, those web sites at least confirm that racism is alive and well. They at least remind us that racism still must be dealt with.

    What do you think?
    I do not think they are important but at the same time they have a right to free speech. I could care less if someone wants to have a racist website regardless if they are white supremacist, black supremacist or whatever.
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    Re: Do white supremacist web sites serve an important purpose?

    The purpose is for them, not us. Who cares? it's like grocery shopping...you don't have to buy pig brains if you don't want to. So if you don't like their site(s), don't go there.

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    Re: Do white supremacist web sites serve an important purpose?

    Only for free speech reasons they are important to allow.
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    Re: Do white supremacist web sites serve an important purpose?

    I don't want my enemies to be snuffed out in their cradles. I want them to grow big and strong before I crush them, so that I can grow, too.

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    Re: Do white supremacist web sites serve an important purpose?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    What do you think?
    As a White Nationalist I want the political mainstream to start finally paying attention to issues I care about... and the Black woman Carol Swain agrees with me:

    Hot-button issues including affirmative action, black-on-white crime and immigration policies are being exploited by the new white nationalists to woo mainstream whites into extremist movements. They exploit real racial and ethnic policy concerns which should be given a forum for intelligent discourse, says Swain. In fact, Swain goes so far as to say that if liberals and African American leaders don't start to address the legitimate concerns raised by the white nationalists on race matters, they risk being partly to blame for racial unrest in America.

    In Defense of Carol Swain - WSJ.com

    a.k.a. Jeremy Michael Thorley

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    Re: Do white supremacist web sites serve an important purpose?

    They are as useful as black supremacist groups, or any other racial supremacy group for that matter. Useful? No, except, as pointed out earlier, this is a testament of our precious freedom. However it is, one must not forget that it is not only white supremacists who are racists. They are typically used as the example of racism.
    Last edited by Wake; 12-17-11 at 11:34 PM.

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    Re: Do white supremacist web sites serve an important purpose?

    Wow, as of yet, 9 people (or 37.5%) have voted that they're glad the white supremacist sites are there because they agree with them. That's pretty scary.

    Other people have posted intelligent commentary on this issue. Thank you.

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    Re: Do white supremacist web sites serve an important purpose?

    They allow white supremacists to organize. This is bad.

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