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Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

  • Yes, it protects her from bearing the rapist's child

    Votes: 82 92.1%

  • No, that pill is unethical

    Votes: 7 7.9%
  • Total voters
    89
Bodhisattva said:
If you are pro-life IT IS NOT logically and obviously murder.

It is logically and obviously murder WHEN IT IS MURDER.
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If you hold the usual pro-life position then you believe a fetus is a person. Killing an innocent person is generally murder. How is it not murder in this case from the usual pro-life perspective. I really don't understand your argument, but at least, unlike Objective-j, you are a somewhat sensible person Bodhi and may give me a proper answer.
 
Objective-J said:
agreed only repressive ones, they are free to their OPINIONS but thankfully in this regard the laws and country is smarter than that. In america I cant imagine how anybody would want to force a rape victim to carry a baby to term and view that as freedom?
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Neither can I. It seems literally barbaric and cold to force that issue. Completely contrary to the "forgive thy neighbor" and "love and kindness" teachings of Christ.
 
Bodhisattva said:
That argument can be made... though it is not certain.
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I guess I fall back on logic instead of emotion with regards to what human life actually is. Without consciousness, what are a couple of cells and why are they so important to other people? I will literally never get it. That being said, I wish that all pregnancies would continue unless there was rape or some severe medical condition.[/QUOTE]Okay, I understand your position. I'm simply unsure why you would have said that only a few could be against the morning after pill and not most pro-lifers.
 
Wessexman said:
If you hold the usual pro-life position then you believe a fetus is a person. Killing an innocent person is generally murder. How is it not murder in this case from the usual pro-life perspective. I really don't understand your argument, but at least, unlike Objective-j, you are a somewhat sensible person Bodhi and may give me a proper answer.
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LINK? PROOF?
I want proof that this is the "usual" stance by pro-lifers, probably about 40% of the people I know are pro-life and NONE of them are under the false opinion that its murder

while you are at it, please prove its murder because I have proved its not, with something called a definition and facts :D
 
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Bodhisattva said:
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Neither can I. It seems literally barbaric and cold to force that issue. Completely contrary to the "forgive thy neighbor" and "love and kindness" teachings of Christ.
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yep I agree, also selfish, pompous and hypocritical as an American IMO
 
Wessexman said:
If you hold the usual pro-life position then you believe a fetus is a person. Killing an innocent person is generally murder. How is it not murder in this case from the usual pro-life perspective. I really don't understand your argument, but at least, unlike Objective-j, you are a somewhat sensible person Bodhi and may give me a proper answer.
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I don't argue with that... even though I have nothing but love for Objective J. :lol:

I understand your point, though the cells at conception form a zygote and not a fetus as minor as that point might seem. I think that the issue is that a fetus contains the requisite components of being a person. A zygote doesn't even come close and the best that can be argued, as I have, is that the zygote might contain a soul or consciousness that we cannot measure. Minus that and the zygote is just a few random cells. I understand what it might become... but we know that a woman is a woman with consciousness and a fully developed independent body and a zygote is a couple of cells that have a great chance of simply being purged from the system during the next female cycle of in a miscarriage.

I can see that some might call killing a zygote murder, but that only makes sense from a religious or moral perspective that probably has no logical or observable factors assigned to it.
 
Bodhisattva said:
I don't argue with that... even though I have nothing but love for Objective J. :lol:

I understand your point, though the cells at conception form a zygote and not a fetus as minor as that point might seem. I think that the issue is that a fetus contains the requisite components of being a person. A zygote doesn't even come close and the best that can be argued, as I have, is that the zygote might contain a soul or consciousness that we cannot measure. Minus that and the zygote is just a few random cells. I understand what it might become... but we know that a woman is a woman with consciousness and a fully developed independent body and a zygote is a couple of cells that have a great chance of simply being purged from the system during the next female cycle of in a miscarriage.

[UI can see that some might call killing a zygote murder, but that only makes sense from a religious or moral perspective that probably has no logical or observable factors assigned to it.
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amen amen
and what does logical or observable factors translate into???

FACTS there are no facts to support that false claim :D
 
Wessexman said:
I guess I fall back on logic instead of emotion with regards to what human life actually is. Without consciousness, what are a couple of cells and why are they so important to other people? I will literally never get it. That being said, I wish that all pregnancies would continue unless there was rape or some severe medical condition.
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I have to agree with OJ here... I know many pro-lifers and have talked about it with some and they don't see the morning after pill or even very early abortion as murder. That entire notion seems fringe.
 
Bodhisattva said:
I have nothing but love for Objective J. :lol:
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lol niiiice

careful Bodhisattva when I say abortion is not murder its "crap and nobody agrees with me" according to the false opinions of some
 
Objective-J said:
amen amen
and what does logical or observable factors translate into???

FACTS there are no facts to support that false claim :D
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Agreed, but I would even go back a step or two... not only are there no facts, there is nothing even close to resembling the precursors to facts about this issue. Not only is there no observable consciousness... there is no brain to even hold consciousness. Neurons and all that good stuff...
 
Objective-J said:
lol niiiice

careful Bodhisattva when I say abortion is not murder its "crap and nobody agrees with me" according to the false opinions of some
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Call me Bodi and what do you mean... I am tired and a bit confused by the run-on sentence.
 
Bodhisattva said:
I have to agree with OJ here... I know many pro-lifers and have talked about it with some and they don't see the morning after pill or even very early abortion as murder. That entire notion seems fringe.
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for the record every pro-lifer I know in person doesnt even consider abortion murder not just the morning after pill

now Im not saying those people dont exist. i seen them extremists on-line, on forums and video clips but Ive never encountered one in person
 
Bodhisattva said:
I have to agree with OJ here... I know many pro-lifers and have talked about it with some and they don't see the morning after pill or even very early abortion as murder. That entire notion seems fringe.
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Well some might not understand that there is a real dispute over whether it causes abortion. But, unless they have an unusual pro-life philosophy, they are being inconsistent or lacking moral courage if they aren't against it. If the dispute is cleared up and it can be shown not to cause abortion then not all pro-lifers should be against it, but right now they should be, unless they have an unusual pro-life position.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Call me Bodi and what do you mean... I am tired and a bit confused by the run-on sentence.
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will do! lol

and what I mean is that every time I explain to him that abortion isnt murder he said thats crap and nobody agrees with me.

I further explained how words have definitions and he cant just make them up, he said that was also crap and non one agrees.

it was pretty funny.
 
Objective-J said:
for the record every pro-lifer I know in person doesnt even consider abortion murder not just the morning after pill

now Im not saying those people dont exist. i seen them extremists on-line, on forums and video clips but Ive never encountered one in person
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If you accept life begins at conception, how can you not think it is murder?

Note: I said if, I'm not interested in you disputing the pro-life position, but simply on what that position means.
 
Wessexman said:
Well some might not understand that there is a real dispute over whether it causes abortion. But, unless they have an unusual pro-life philosophy, they are being inconsistent or lacking moral courage if they aren't against it. If the dispute is cleared up and it can be shown not to cause abortion then not all pro-lifers should be against it, but right now they should be, unless they have an unusual pro-life position.
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there you go again falsely grouping people without proving your claims

I want proof what is usual and unusual pro-life
 
Objective-J said:
there you go again falsely grouping people without proving your claims

I want proof what is usual and unusual pro-life
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I mean that full human life and personhood begins at conception. I don't think it is relatively uncontroversial that this is the usual pro-life perspective. It is certainly that of Catholics, which represents a billion people or more.
 
Wessexman said:
If you accept life begins at conception, how can you not think it is murder?

Note: I said if, I'm not interested in you disputing the pro-life position, but simply on what that position means.
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simple because people accept that words have definitions and they dont just make definitions up to words

this is common sense and not confusing in the slightest

are you telling me if I get a group of people together and decide that all sex is rape that makes it true just because me and a bunch of people hold that belief? of course your not saying that so why would anybody logical accept your made up definition of murder?
 
Wessexman said:
I mean that full human life and personhood begins at conception. I don't think it is relatively uncontroversial that this is the usual pro-life perspective. It is certainly that of Catholics, which represents a billion people or more.
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you have said prior to this that is the usual perspective of pro-lifers is that abortion is murder, are you now saying you dont believe that?
 
Wessexman said:
You didn't answer my question.
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yes I 100% did

you asked "if you accept life begins at conception, how can you not think it is murder?"

and I answered "simple because people accept that words have definitions and they dont just make definitions up to words"

this means the definition of murder doesnt allow it to be murder, thats how

you can accept this answer or not but it is an answer and it is a fact with or without your acceptance LMAO
 
Objective-J said:
you have said prior to this that is the usual perspective of pro-lifers is that abortion is murder, are you now saying you dont believe that?
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I'm saying it is the only logical and consistent position for someone who has the usual pro-life philosophy, or in other words see a fetus as as much a full human being as an adult.
 
Wessexman said:
I'm saying it is the only logical and consistent position for someone who has the usual pro-life philosophy, or in other words see a fetus as as much a full human being as an adult.
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so you are stating your opinion AGAIN without any proof of such claim

got it, thats what I thought
 
Objective-J said:
yes I 100% did

you asked "if you accept life begins at conception, how can you not think it is murder?"

and I answered "simple because people accept that words have definitions and they dont just make definitions up to words"

this means the definition of murder doesnt allow it to be murder, thats how

you can accept this answer or not but it is an answer and it is a fact with or without your acceptance LMAO
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So where is the distinction that pro-lifers should make? When they avowedly think a fetus is as much a full human being and person as an adult, where does the distinction come from which allows them to see the killing of an innocent adult as murder and that of a fetus as not murder?
 
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