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Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

  • Yes, it protects her from bearing the rapist's child

    Votes: 82 92.1%

  • No, that pill is unethical

    Votes: 7 7.9%
  • Total voters
    89
Wessexman said:
See as crap goes, your recent posts are just poor mate. They have no enthusiasm and no spark. Your crap lacks enthusiasm I'm afraid.
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but yet they are factual and you are still wrong, tomorrow you can call them crap again and guess what mate, you will still be wrong and the facts will remains the same.

Sometimes facts are boring, just like water is wet, legally abortion is not murder :shrug:

I have no clue why this fact bothers you
 
Who said abortion was legally murder?

I simply said that murder can be used, depending on the context, to refer to things that are currently legal and illegal. I never said abortion was legally murder or that anyone had to necessarily accept what others define as murder. I simply said that the government doesn't necessarily get to define the only ways that murder can sensibly and reasonably be used. If the North Korean government says that such and such a killing in its country was legal, that doesn't mean it isn't necessarily murder. This is common sense, this is fact.
 
Wessexman said:
Who said abortion was legally murder?

I simply said that murder can be used, depending on the context, to refer to things that are currently legal and illegal. I never said abortion was legally murder or that anyone had to necessarily accept what others define as murder. I simply said that the government doesn't necessarily get to define the only ways that murder can sensibly and reasonably be used. If the North Korean government says that such and such a killing in its country was legal, that doesn't mean it isn't necessarily murder. This is common sense, this is fact.
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its neither common sense nor fact
you see words have meaning, they have definitions
YOU dont just get to make those definitions up based on your OPINION LMAO

and by definition abortion is NOT murder unless you mean indention two which I posted earlier and murder is absolutely NOT illegitimate and generally premeditated homicide, sorry. no matter how bad YOU want it to be that is simply not true :shrug:
 
I have given my common sense and factual definition. You have replied with utter nonsense again. I'm not about to try and just out repeat my definition against your crap.

I never said abortion was murder according to the law. Whether it is otherwise murder depends on whether one is pro-life or pro-choice and I'm not going to try and play dueling slogans about that either.
 
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Wessexman said:
I have given my common sense and factual definition. You have replied with utter nonsense again. I'm not about to try and just out repeat my definition against your crap.

I never said abortion was murder according to the law. Whether it is otherwise murder depends on whether one is pro-life or pro-choice and I'm not going to try and play dueling slogans about that either.
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you havent stated any facts only your opinion, sorry you dont understand the difference lol
you can continue to make up whatever lies and fantasy you want but yesterday abortion wasnt murder, today its not murder and nor will it be tomorrow

also please don't claim your false illogical opinions are GROUP shared by pro-lifers, every pro-lifer i know in person agree and knows the fact it isnt murder

its is good for you not to try and keep repeating something false against something true though, thats a good idea by you
 
Now you're not even making sense. You seem to think I've been trying to tell pro-choicers abortion is murder. As I said I have no intention to play the game of dueling slogans. They know the pro-life position; which certainly is that abortion is murder because it makes no sense for it to be anything else.
 
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Wessexman said:
Now you're not even making sense. You seem to think I've been trying to tell pro-choicers abortion is murder. As I said I have no intention to play the game of dueling slogans. They know the pro-life position; which certainly is that abortion is murder because it makes no sense for it to be anything else.
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talk about not making sense who said anything about prochoice?????? not me

no thats not what I said at all I said do not claim that all PRO LIFERS wrongly think it is murder because that would make you wrong TWICE

1) it is not murder
2.) every pro-lifer i know in person acknowledges this fact the do NOT think its murder

at the end of the day your opinion is simple wrong because the facts make it that way, to deny this just makes you look foolish or dishonest, pick one
 
If we are talking about the common pro-life position then how isn't it murder? If the fetus at conception is every bit as much a human person as a living adult then how is it not murder?

I have no doubt some pro-lifers don't call it murder, either because they have an unusual pro-life philosophy, or more likely because they do not have the courage to call all those who have abortions and perform them murderers.
 
Wessexman said:
If we are talking about the common pro-life position then how isn't it murder? If the fetus at conception is every bit as much a human person as a living adult then how is it not murder?

I have no doubt some pro-lifers don't call it murder, either because they have an unusual pro-life philosophy, or more likely because they do not have the courage to call all those who have abortions and perform them murderers.
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because not all pro-lifers have such a delusional stance as yours LOL
THEY are capable and have the ability to accepting FACTS and understand what words ACTUALLY mean they just dont make definitions up, lie and call people murders because they have the SENSE to know better LMAO

this is something YOU seem to ignore and have a problem with, that is NOT the normal stance, normal people accept facts LOL
 
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Wessexman said:
You in no sense answered my points, as usual.
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you lied again as usual because I answered BOTH your questions, i see you have no intrest in honest debate of backing up your false claims with FACTS lmao




how isn't it murder?
If the fetus at conception is every bit as much a human person as a living adult then how is it not murder?

I answered both of these, its not murder because thats not the definition of murder nor do object people think it is they understand the facts :) the definition of the word murder makes it that way, you opinion has no impact LMAO
 
Wessexman said:
You in no sense answered my points, as usual.
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ANOTHER lie
translation: you still cant offer ONE fact to prove me wrong and are just stalling
 
Wessexman said:
You in no sense answered my points, as usual. :2wave:
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why do you lie? LMAO do you think that helps you? it makes you look even more silly and uneducated than you already do in the last couple pages :lamo

FACT: Abortion is not murder
 
"Abortion is murder" then declaring that "BELIEF" is belief-definition that is thus a self-proving fact is nonsense.

"Abortion is self defense" by the mother is scientific fact.

Early medical abortion has virtually no death rate for women nor other harmful effect. Pregnancy most definitely does have a known death rate of women, but much higher rate of the woman being permanently disabled, plus it known pregnancy is extremely uncomfortable at best, and labor typically is torturous and of high risk. Thus, the only "scientific fact" and therefore self-proving fact is that "Abortion is self-defense" by the woman.

I suppose now I should post that in at least 50% of the next 250 pro-choice messages on every abortion topic thread like "anti-abortionists" do with their slogan "abortion is murder." Actually, it isn't. Arguable abortion is "killing" some organism. But then so does a condom with spermicide.

Then I would rage that you are denying women a right to self defense even that they can't defend their very lives.

"Abortion is self defense" by the woman. That is scientific and medical fact. On an early abortion a woman can come and go quickly with no physical side effect. A woman going into labor can die, end up sterile or be disabled for life.
 
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Objective-J said:
why do you lie? LMAO do you think that helps you? it makes you look even more silly and uneducated than you already do in the last couple pages :lamo

FACT: Abortion is not murder
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5 pages of the two of you calling each other liars and assholes doesn't help this thread nor has any value.
 
joko104 said:
5 pages of the two of you calling each other liars and assholes doesn't help this thread nor has any value.
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1.) neither of us called the other asshole
2.) I only called him a liar because he is

and I will continue to do so every time anybody lies, dont like it there are plenty of other threads and websites :shrug: thanks for sharing though :)
 
joko104 said:
"Abortion is murder" then declaring that "BELIEF" is self-proving fact is nonsense.

"Abortion is self defense" by the mother is scientific fact. Medical abortion has virtually no death rate nor other harmful effect. Pregnancy most definitely does have a known death rate, but much higher rate of the woman being permanently disabled, plus it known pregnancy is extremely uncomfortable at best, and labor typically is torturous and of high risk. Thus, the only "scientific fact" and therefore self-proving fact is that "Abortion is self-defense" by the woman.

I suppose now I should post that in at least 50% of the next 250 pro-choice messages like "anti-abortionists" do with "abortion is murder." Actually, it isn't. Arguable abortion is "killing" some organism. But then so does a condom with spermicide.

"Abortion is self defense" by the woman. That is scientific and medical fact.
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Although most abortion in this country is most certainly not murder, most abortions are also not "self-defense" of the mother.

Most women have no issue with having a child. In fact with the availability and effectiveness of epidurals (from what I have heard), even childbirth really isn't that torturous anymore. I have in fact had two sons completely naturally in the last four years and still want another child. And I am always at "high-risk" when it comes to pregnancy.

It is just as overreaching to call it self defense as it is to call it murder. In some cases, either could be true, but in most cases, neither is (not in the US anyway).
 
Objective-J said:
agreed I cant even believe anybody would be against this, 7 people voted otherwise, I dont know who they are and I always make my polls public for better accuracy but I asked who and to please explain and got no answer. :shrug:
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There is literally no logical reason to be against the morning after pill. Even the most religious nut job has no argument against it... not a logical one at least.
 
Bodhisattva said:
There is literally no logical reason to be against the morning after pill. Even the most religious nut job has no argument against it... not a logical one at least.
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There is at least equal academic opinion and evidence it can cause abortion. No one who holds the usual pro-life philosophy can really support the morning after pill.

Plus many social conservatives aren't wild about contraceptives anyway, but I suppose that is a different matter.
 
Wessexman said:
What do you mean so? If you are pro-life it is logically and obviously murder. All the rest of your post is just pro-choice slogans which beg the question and are pointless. If you reject the pro-life philosophy then of course you won't agree with their position on this, but why just repeat your pro-choice slogans when we are discussing what pro-lifers think and should think?
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If you are pro-life IT IS NOT logically and obviously murder.

It is logically and obviously murder WHEN IT IS MURDER.
 
Bodhisattva said:
There is literally no logical reason to be against the morning after pill. Even the most religious nut job has no argument against it... not a logical one at least.
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agreed only repressive ones, they are free to their OPINIONS but thankfully in this regard the laws and country is smarter than that. In america I cant imagine how anybody would want to force a rape victim to carry a baby to term and view that as freedom?
 
Bodhisattva said:
If you are pro-life IT IS NOT logically and obviously murder.

It is logically and obviously murder WHEN IT IS MURDER.
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these facts will fall on deaf ears, or be read by blind eyes in this case
 
Wessexman said:
There is at least equal academic opinion and evidence it can cause abortion. No one who holds the usual pro-life philosophy can really support the morning after pill.

Plus many social conservatives aren't wild about contraceptives anyway, but I suppose that is a different matter.
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That argument can be made... though it is not certain.

I guess I fall back on logic instead of emotion with regards to what human life actually is. Without consciousness, what are a couple of cells and why are they so important to other people? I will literally never get it. That being said, I wish that all pregnancies would continue unless there was rape or some severe medical condition.
 
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