• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

  • Yes, it protects her from bearing the rapist's child

    Votes: 82 92.1%

  • No, that pill is unethical

    Votes: 7 7.9%
  • Total voters
    89
Wessexman said:
What you mean by personality is just what we normally refer to as consciousness. What I mean is the full human nature or person. The fetus, being a separate human being, has as much of this human nature as any other living, human being. That they haven't developed all the potential doesn't change the nature that is in them and to try and decide which humans have developed enough of their potential is a dangerous precedent.
Click to expand...

What do you mean by "human nature"? Is that just the quality of having human DNA? Your definition thus far seems vague.
 
evanescence said:
What do you mean by "human nature"? Is that just the quality of having human DNA? Your definition thus far seems vague.
Click to expand...
I mean the fullest nature or essence of humanity, that which man cannot lack without ceasing to be man, of which the formal cause, or properties, like DNA, are consequence to. It is the final cause of a individual human to develop this nature. The fetus is clearly a different being from the mother and is the same being as it would be if its mother gave birth to it at full term or when it is an adult. It shares the same human nature as any other person, and has the same core individual nature and personhood it would as an adult. It is simply more potential and less actuality in terms of material development towards the final cause of being a full human adult, than an adult is. But in no sense does this change its shared and individual nature and personhood.
 
Last edited:
joko104 said:
Those who advocate rapists' rights to procreate by rape will absolutely refuse to discuss or even acknowledge the horrors and risks that WANT imposed on the victim. To the extent they even acknowledge the girl is a victim, they will only briefly trivialize her to next to nothing declaring only effect on women being violently forced to have children for rapists is that the woman doesn't like it - a fully acceptable price women pay to in exchange for granting full and legally protected rights to men to have as many dozens or hundreds of children they can have by rape.

It does need to be recognized as pro-rapists-rights because they claim rapist men have an absolute right to force women to give them prodigy. They call that doing the right thing.

ALL ideologue zelots who declare working horrific torture, pain, multilation, disfigurement, denial of any right to have any say on childbearing, sterilization, and death on women and even girls now as young as 5-years-old by violent assault - do so because they claim their personal philosophy leading such offenses against little girls and women by violent men must be imposed on women - because those ideologues self-declare they are so morally and intellectually superiot to everyone else the their personal philosophy should be inflicted on everyone by punitive law against everyone else.

They ARE the Taliban. They are the Spanish Inquisition. They are the medieval Catholic Cardinals. They are the foremost evil in world history. THEY ARE THE ENEMY OF FREEDOM AND CIVIL RIGHTS. They are the religous and ideology zealots.

I think law should have such people sterilized or castated to protect both women and children from them as my ideology and logic, facts and science more supports my position. As a safeguard, their children should be taken from them by CPS as they are clearly zealot sadists in my opinion. That is less harsh and against vastly less people than what they want done to people - against children, women and men. They want at least 40 million American women so far declared guilty of 1st Degree Capital Murder - thus the punishment against that offense - and they want to promote and encourage a radical increase in the number of rapists and serial rapists across the country with them providing both the motivation then legal protect for that motivation.

Yes, there are men who want to force women to have their children. Yes, there are men who want women to suffer forced pregnancy. Yes, some men do DEMAND they have the optional right to procreate by rape and even some women join in - that being the demand of such so-called "pro-life" men, really meaning "pro-rapist-rights" men. Those are very sick people in my view and, worse, exceptionally dangerous people. The Bill of Rights exists to protect everyone in the event such religious and ideological control-freak zealots ever gain a majority.

Explain again why you want the option of forcing any and all girls and women to have your children by violent rape? IN FACT, that is literally what you want and rational for - it's your PHILOSOPHY. Oh yes, that's right, you want the cops and courts to insure that if you exercise your procreation right by violent rape that you succeed and to protect your activated rape sperm and your ongoing biological attack against those women.

Call it what it is: Wanting to have the option to have children by forced rape. Then, all that matters still is you - the rights of your "innocent" sperm.
Click to expand...

You're still doing it.

I am pro-choice. But if I did believe abortion was murder, I would not feel the least bit guilty about forcing a rape victim not to kill her child. This whole line of thought fails. You're not helping your cause.
 
Wessexman said:
I mean the fullest nature or essence of humanity, that which man cannot lack without ceasing to be man, of which the formal cause, or properties, like DNA, are consequence to. It is the final cause of a individual human to develop this nature. The fetus is clearly a different being from the mother and is the same being as it would be if its mother gave birth to it at full term or when it is an adult. It shares the same human nature as any other person, and has the same core individual nature and personhood it would as an adult. It is simply more potential and less actuality in terms of material development towards the final cause of being a full human adult, than an adult is. But in no sense does this change its shared and individual nature and personhood.
Click to expand...

One cannot be a "man" without thought and personal identity. Although both go through stages of development, the fetus is physically "tied" to the woman. Thus, it is within her realm of control.
 
misterman said:
You're still doing it.

I am pro-choice. But if I did believe abortion was murder, I would not feel the least bit guilty about forcing a rape victim not to kill her child. This whole line of thought fails. You're not helping your cause.
Click to expand...

And you truly keep finding any possible way to reduce the assaulted girl to absolutely nothing and to continue to grant total rights to the rapist.

As you wrote in YOUR perspective: The success of his sperm becoming a growing biological intrusive organism that will torment her physically and painfully for 9 months and may well kill her is (in your words) "HER child."

You left the rapist totally out of it as thought he, his rape and his DNA are non-existent.

I have no doubt you have no guilt whatsoever being pro-serial-rapists'-rights given your prior view that the only effect of pregnancy by rape is that the woman is emotionally miffed by it and otherwise reducing the victim to nothingness in message after message.

Admit it, you are absolutely for the right of a serial rapist to have as many dozens or hundreds of children as he can successfully get away with and have exactly no guilt or concern about what your rapist's rights ideology does to the females. If the little girl dies, commits suicide (common in countries were abortion is illegal, or left sterilized, you truly don't care as you say. All that matters is the rapist gets to force her to have HIS prodigy.

UNLESS she herself wants the child, your writing that the rapist's prodigy is singularly "HER CHILD" is not just a DNA and genetic LIE, it also is extremely sadistic in my opinion.

But, as you say yourself over and over again, your singular concern is that a rapist who has rapes girl to force them to have his baby should have absolutely succeeded in his goal. The girls are irrelevant you, only the rapist's right to procreate by rape. How many other excuses do you have for rapists and rapists' rights?

Any other ways you want to post messages declaring rape is, at worst, only a nuisance as is pregnancy by rape to little girls and females?

Since you OPENLY don't care if the girl commits suicide other than her killing the rapist's "child" in doing so, do you then also think he should be able to sue her estate for killing his child?
 
Last edited:
joko104 said:
And you truly keep finding any possible way to reduce the assaulted girl to absolutely nothing and to continue to grant total rights to the rapist.

As you wrote in YOUR perspective: The success of his sperm becoming a growing biological intrusive organism that will torment her physically and painfully for 9 months and may well kill her is (in your words) "HER child."

You left the rapist totally out of it as thought he, his rape and his DNA are non-existent.

I have no doubt you have no guilt whatsoever being pro-serial-rapists'-rights given your prior view that the only effect of pregnancy by rape is that the woman is emotionally miffed by it and otherwise reducing the victim to nothingness in message after message.

Admit it, you are absolutely for the right of a serial rapist to have as many dozens or hundreds of children as he can successfully get away with and have exactly no guilt or concern about what your rapist's rights ideology does to the females. If the little girl dies, commits suicide (common in countries were abortion is illegal, or left sterilized, you truly don't care as you say. All that matters is the rapist gets to force her to have HIS prodigy.

UNLESS she herself wants the child, your writing that the rapist's prodigy is singularly "HER CHILD" is not just a DNA and genetic LIE, it also is extremely sadistic in my opinion.

But, as you say yourself over and over again, your singular concern is that a rapist who has rapes girl to force them to have his baby should have absolutely succeeded in his goal. The girls are irrelevant you, only the rapist's right to procreate by rape. How many other excuses do you have for rapists and rapists' rights?

Any other ways you want to post messages declaring rape is, at worst, only a nuisance as is pregnancy by rape to little girls and females?

Since you OPENLY don't care if the girl commits suicide other than her killing the rapist's "child" in doing so, do you then also think he should be able to sue her estate for killing his child?
Click to expand...

Somewhere between 1 out of 10 to 1 out of 8 men will rape a woman in America. I suspect a much highly percentage fantasy of rape but dont' carry it out. Therefore, it is absolutely predictable about the same percentage of men will argue for the rights of rapists and minimize the girl and have little respect for women. Combined with radical religions of the same religions that argued for outlawing birth control previously (or still), there will always be a vocal minority arguing your religion/ideology.

At least you draw the line - so far at least in your messages - to using the police, government, courts, prisons and taxpayers to enforce your personal idelogy on everyone else.
 
joko104 said:
Somewhere between 1 out of 10 to 1 out of 8 men will rape a woman in America.
Click to expand...

I call solid digestive waste from a male bovine on this bogus statistic. I think you just made it up out of thin air, to support a point that wouldn't be supported by any verifiable statistic.
 
I see no reason why a victim of rape should not be able to take RU-486. Forcing a woman to have the child of a rapist, is nothing more than second-class citizenship for women.
 
misterman said:
You're still doing it.I am pro-choice. But if I did believe abortion was murder, I would not feel the least bit guilty about forcing a rape victim not to kill her child. This whole line of thought fails. You're not helping your cause.
Click to expand...
Literally, I think this post is not only reasonable, but fair.
 
joko104 said:
And you truly keep finding any possible way to reduce the assaulted girl to absolutely nothing and to continue to grant total rights to the rapist.

As you wrote in YOUR perspective: The success of his sperm becoming a growing biological intrusive organism that will torment her physically and painfully for 9 months and may well kill her is (in your words) "HER child."

You left the rapist totally out of it as thought he, his rape and his DNA are non-existent.

I have no doubt you have no guilt whatsoever being pro-serial-rapists'-rights given your prior view that the only effect of pregnancy by rape is that the woman is emotionally miffed by it and otherwise reducing the victim to nothingness in message after message.

Admit it, you are absolutely for the right of a serial rapist to have as many dozens or hundreds of children as he can successfully get away with and have exactly no guilt or concern about what your rapist's rights ideology does to the females. If the little girl dies, commits suicide (common in countries were abortion is illegal, or left sterilized, you truly don't care as you say. All that matters is the rapist gets to force her to have HIS prodigy.

UNLESS she herself wants the child, your writing that the rapist's prodigy is singularly "HER CHILD" is not just a DNA and genetic LIE, it also is extremely sadistic in my opinion.

But, as you say yourself over and over again, your singular concern is that a rapist who has rapes girl to force them to have his baby should have absolutely succeeded in his goal. The girls are irrelevant you, only the rapist's right to procreate by rape. How many other excuses do you have for rapists and rapists' rights?

Any other ways you want to post messages declaring rape is, at worst, only a nuisance as is pregnancy by rape to little girls and females?

Since you OPENLY don't care if the girl commits suicide other than her killing the rapist's "child" in doing so, do you then also think he should be able to sue her estate for killing his child?
Click to expand...

Enough already. You don't even begin to understand my point.
 
joko104 said:
Somewhere between 1 out of 10 to 1 out of 8 men will rape a woman in America. I suspect a much highly percentage fantasy of rape but dont' carry it out. Therefore, it is absolutely predictable about the same percentage of men will argue for the rights of rapists and minimize the girl and have little respect for women. Combined with radical religions of the same religions that argued for outlawing birth control previously (or still), there will always be a vocal minority arguing your religion/ideology.
Click to expand...

Wow. You're off the deep end now.
 
misterman said:
Wow. You're off the deep end now.
Click to expand...

Given your view that the only effect of requiring a 13 year to have the baby of the man who raped her is that it might make her angry, I'm sure you see it that way.
 
joko104 said:
Given your view that the only effect of requiring a 13 year to have the baby of the man who raped her is that it might make her angry, I'm sure you see it that way.
Click to expand...

That's not my view.

You and I are on the same side, which is why I'm trying to hold you back. You're not helping our case at all.
 
Luna Tick said:
Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?
Click to expand...

OF COURSE she should!!!

why would anyone want to force a rape-victim to give birth to the child of her attacker??????

women are not slaves. they are not property. they are not second-class citizens (not anymore).

they should have the right to rule their own body, ESPECIALLY in such a situation.

jeez.
 
misterman said:
That's not my view.

You and I are on the same side, which is why I'm trying to hold you back. You're not helping our case at all.
Click to expand...

If I confused you with another member, I apologize.

It would be foolish to believe that sex predators don't go on forums and that both them and religious zealots protray themselves accurately when they do, or that neither take politic/legal positions based upon such natures - regardless of the rationalizations they state.
 
joko104 said:
If I confused you with another member, I apologize.It would be foolish to believe that sex predators don't go on forums and that both them and religious zealots protray themselves accurately when they do, or that neither take politic/legal positions based upon such natures - regardless of the rationalizations they state.
Click to expand...
Who are you insinuating is a sex predator or religious zealot? Just because I believe in protecting the innocent life makes me neither thos things, so I really think you should cut the crap of calling people with this belief predators and zealots. That is uber-hyperbole.
 
Wake said:
Who are you insinuating is a sex predator or religious zealot? Just because I believe in protecting the innocent life makes me neither thos things, so I really think you should cut the crap of calling people with this belief predators and zealots.....
Click to expand...

dude, what makes you think he was talking about you?

relax.
 
Wake said:
Who are you insinuating is a sex predator or religious zealot? Just because I believe in protecting the innocent life makes me neither thos things, so I really think you should cut the crap of calling people with this belief predators and zealots. That is uber-hyperbole.
Click to expand...

I did not name you. But those are sizable elements of that belief, particularly religious zealots. Anyone who wants to force their beliefs on others - and as rabidly radically as demanding a raped girl must have that rapist's child(ren) and all the girls and women that rapist impregnants all must have his children is an extreme zealot by definition. I can't really image a more extreme zealotry. I suppose you could be an athiestic ideological zealot.

Declaring literally hundreds of millions of women worldwide and tens of millions in the USA "murderers" of their own children is zealotry. Religous or not.

Anyone who says "I believe xxx (whether religious or not) and therefore I have total control over everyone else who doesn't" is zealot.
 
Last edited:
joko104 said:
...Declaring literally hundreds of millions of women worldwide and tens of millions in the USA "murderers" of their own children is zealotry. Religous or not.
Click to expand...

actually, as many of these folks want such women to face the death penalty, its a call for mass-murder.

ironic, huh?
 
Thunder said:
actually, as many of these folks want such women to face the death penalty, its a call for mass-murder.

ironic, huh?
Click to expand...

20 times greater than the holocaust.

Ideologues - religous and athiest - have been the #1 cause of mass-murder throughout human history. "Submit to my beliefs, my superiority and do my will or all of you die who don't."
And time and time and time again, millions and millions have been mass-murdered.
The words "I believe" can be used to justify any evil of any kind if given legitimacy.
They would argue that in their "belief," abortion is mass-murder so they must kill a hundred million girls and women plus anyone who doesn't agree to save the children. That is why giving legitimacy to pro-lifers is so dangerous. Because history proves ideologues at that level are so extremely dangerous.
 
Last edited:
Sadly, down the road I can. That's why I put up such a fierce opposition allowing no free-passes on the areas of the topic.
Actually, it more likely they would just be put in prison, where they would be punitively routinely gang raped and impregnated for their crimes. That's what they say Jesus would have them do anyway.
I've had to deal with those people in real life. They are NOT nice people! They are only nice if you agree or, if not, discuss only on their terms. Otherwise, they are the most hateful, self-righteous, accusatory and generally igornant people you can meet - generally speaking of course. There can be exceptions, but those are not the adament ones. Rather, those are the ones quoting the slogan because the minister said so, not really giving much thought to it in real terms.
 
Last edited:
joko104 said:
Sadly, down the road I can. Actually, it more likely they would just be put in prison, where they would be punitively routinely gang raped and impregnated for their crimes. That's what they say Jesus would have them do anyway.
Click to expand...
Are you really serious? What the heck man. Your posts are beyond retarded. Whoever said anything about killing millions of girls and women, or sending them to jail and having them raped? WTF man??? Your pov is way, WAY out there. So much so I can't take it seriously. You're using way too many red herrings and a ridiculous amount of hyperbole. You also need to back up your last sentence, because I find that not only ridiculous, but offensive.
 
Last edited:
Wake said:
Are you really serious?....
Click to expand...

Pro-Lifers want tens of millions of American women to spend life in prison for the crime of having control of their bodies, and not being slaves to the religious & misogynist beliefs of men.

this is a fact.
 
joko104 said:
Declaring literally hundreds of millions of women worldwide and tens of millions in the USA "murderers" of their own children is zealotry. Religous or not.
Click to expand...

Now when you are discussing women who did, in fact, willingly participate in the murder of their own children.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom