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Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

  • Yes, it protects her from bearing the rapist's child

    Votes: 82 92.1%
  • No, that pill is unethical

    Votes: 7 7.9%

  • Total voters
    89
There should be a list of additional security questions on voting registration forms. This question should be one of them. You answer "no," you don't get to vote. Period.
 
There should be a list of additional security questions on voting registration forms. This question should be one of them. You answer "no," you don't get to vote. Period.

Wrong thread :D It's ok.
 
The morning after pill should be available to any woman of legal age for any reason whatsoever.
 
yes, even girls under 18 should have this option.

but only if they have been raped.
An example, one of very many of this ilk, would be: On Sunday morning, a 16 year old girl will have to prove, for example, that she was raped by her 16 year old cousin, would have to just claim that. No, that wouldn’t work, she would lie and say that a stranger did it; she’d have to prove it, i.e. tell the truth. The prosecutor would have to accept her testimony, swab her for DNA and have the cousin arrested before allowing her to get the pill on Sunday morning. And you would see that this will help the related families. Please explain how. And, bty, the governmental staff that would be necessary for this will be very large, but your pro big government, correct?
 
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An example, one of very many of this ilk, would be: On Sunday morning, a 16 year old girl will have to prove, for example, that she was raped by her 16 year old cousin, would have to just claim that. No, that wouldn’t work, she would lie and say that a stranger did it; she’d have to prove it, i.e. tell the truth. The prosecutor would have to accept her testimony, swab her for DNA and have the cousin arrested before allowing her to get the pill on Sunday morning. And you would saw that this will help the related families. Please explain how. And, bty, the governmental staff that would be necessary for this will be very large, but your pro big government, correct?

Actually - rape victims are encouraged to go to a hospital where a woman will handle their care - swab for DNA and administer the pill and give other necessary assistance.

They can press charges if the like - but they dont' have to divulge details if they don't want to.
 
Actually - rape victims are encouraged to go to a hospital where a woman will handle their care - swab for DNA and administer the pill and give other necessary assistance.

They can press charges if the like - but they dont' have to divulge details if they don't want to.
YES. That is how it should be.
Please look at what I was responding to.
 
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Morning after pills should be given free of charge to any rape victim seeking care from any facility (medical or counseling).

Morning after pills should be available in pharmacies for any woman 18 or older by just paying for it (hopefully, eventually the cost will go down), with little to no information needed but plenty given on its potential side effects.

Morning after pills should be available through a pharmacy for women under 18 with either a parent or guardian permission or something giving the girl's medical history, preferably. It should be available to the girl without actually needing her parent's permission but whoever is responsible for her well-being should be informed of her taking it. Maybe give her some information about places for help if she is afraid of being abused for her parents/guardians being given this information. But it would be much worse if she took it, had a rare reaction and no one really knew what might have caused it because she was too afraid to tell. I know this isn't a popular belief, but I always feel it is better to have ways of getting her help rather than just allow her to have something like the MAP and continue to live in fear.
 
Maybe I've been watching too many reruns of "Law and Order: SVU," but I don't understand the premise of the OP's question. Are rape victims not provided with the morning-after pill if they seek medical treatment?

My concern is for the health of women, specifically young girls. If the morning-after pill is available over-the-counter, it's going to be acquired and misused. There is the chance of bleeding, and the pill can also disrupt a cycle, creating another problem if it's used not as the one-time-only pill it's intended to be but, rather, as a primary means of birth control.
 
I'm sorry but humans are not animals.

Yes... humans are animals.

we are smarter than all other animal species ... anatomically, the human brain is very similar to that of other primates because humans and chimpanzees share an ancestor that walked the earth less than seven million years ago.

Animal Intelligence and the Evolution of the Human Mind: Scientific American

Animals do not have a concious and that is the difference.

Yes. Animals such as apes and dolphins DO have consiousness and that means that they are self aware...

Definition of CONSCIOUSNESS
1a : the quality or state of being aware especially of something within oneself
b : the state or fact of being conscious of an external object, state, or fact
c : awareness; especially : concern for some social or political cause


Consciousness - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Findings announced today in the early online edition of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, however, indicate that we and our primate relatives are not alone. According to the report, dolphins, too, exhibit mirror self-recognition ... the fact that they have passed the mirror test means that self-recognition may result from large brains and advanced cognitive ability, as opposed to being a by-product of primate-specific factors.

Dolphin Self-Recognition Mirrors Our Own: Scientific American

You just defined why we should protect that life because it is so helpless. What could be more helpless than a being that can't feel pain, has no consciousness, is a few cells big, can't think, can't see, can't hear, can't smell, can't eat, can't drink, can't fart, can't do anything.

No, I didn't define why we should protect that life and I can't think of much that is more helpless than that life...

And who are you to say that if will face a likely situation that it will be aborted naturally anyway? What does that even mean? What is a "natural abortion"? Miscarriages are unfortunate events that occur due to many factors. Some could be because of the mom using drugs or not taking care of herself but more often than not they just happen, especially with women who have never had children.

It is not just me...

About 10 to 20 percent of known pregnancies end in miscarriage ... Studies have found that 30 to 50 percent of fertilized eggs are lost before or during the process of implantation

Understanding miscarriage | BabyCenter

Potentially half of all fertilized eggs might be lost PRIOR to implantation?

Where does it stop? So, first its rape victims should be required to take it. Next, lets go with women who are living below the poverty line because obviously they can't support the child and we'll end up paying for it. After that, women that have a better chance of passing along a hereditary disease because we don't want a bunch of autistic kids running around we have to support. Before long, we are breeding a perfect society. Wow, sounds kind of like Nazi Germany circa 1940ish. Keep spewing your "we know whats better for you than you do" rhetoric buddy.

Rape victims? Yes.

Extreme poverty? Yes.

Hereditary diseases? Yes.

Autism is not a hereditary disease, by the way. It is most likely caused by environmental factors.

As to the rest? It is nothing more than an Appeal to Emotion (pity), a Nazi Fallacy as well as a Red Herring.

Good job. Three logical fallacies in two sentences.

Logical Fallacies

Lastly... you really should educate yourself a bit before making silly arguments.
 
Ah, yes. I remember reading all about the formal logical fallacy of comparison to the Nazis in this month's journal of philosophy.

I wish people would stop being so quick to accuse others of logical fallacies. If you wish to disprove the theory of evolution by appeal to emotion that is one thing, but including some component of emotion in debates over politics, society and morality is quite another.
 
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Ah, yes. I remember reading all about the formal logical fallacy of comparison to the Nazis in this month's journal of philosophy.

I wish people would stop being so quick to accuse others of logical fallacies.

I could care less if it is an actual fallacy or not... I just wish people would stop trying to demonize anything they don't like by comparing it to the Nazi's or Hitler. At least be creative. Throw in some Stalin or Pol Pot. Hitler doesn't own evil.
 
Maybe I've been watching too many reruns of "Law and Order: SVU," but I don't understand the premise of the OP's question. Are rape victims not provided with the morning-after pill if they seek medical treatment?

My concern is for the health of women, specifically young girls. If the morning-after pill is available over-the-counter, it's going to be acquired and misused. There is the chance of bleeding, and the pill can also disrupt a cycle, creating another problem if it's used not as the one-time-only pill it's intended to be but, rather, as a primary means of birth control.

I don't believe the MAP is offered everywhere for rape victims.

Study found that morning-after pill not always offered to rape victims - JSOnline

And I remember not too long ago there was something about states that paid for rape victim kits/exams not wanting to include Plan B in that. I'm not sure which state/states it was specifically though.

Also, the military offers a program for rape victims where they do not have to go to the hospital or any kind of clinic to just talk about the rape with someone. Even then, it should be offered if the rape happened within the specified effective time, even if the woman didn't need/doesn't want to go to the hospital and doesn't want to press charges.
 
I could care less if it is an actual fallacy or not... I just wish people would stop trying to demonize anything they don't like by comparing it to the Nazi's or Hitler. At least be creative. Throw in some Stalin or Pol Pot. Hitler doesn't own evil.
Try Tony Blair. That man was terrible.
 
Where does it stop? So, first its rape victims should be required to take it.

Wait, who said that?

Nobody is saying that rape victims or anyone else should be REQUIRED to use Plan B.
 
Wait, who said that?

Nobody is saying that rape victims or anyone else should be REQUIRED to use Plan B.

Someone said that it they thought it should be "almost required" of a rape victim.
 
Wait, who said that?

Nobody is saying that rape victims or anyone else should be REQUIRED to use Plan B.

I didn't but I will now...
 
Someone said that it they thought it should be "almost required" of a rape victim.

That was Bodi... damn guy is always creating controversy.
 
That was Bodi... damn guy is always creating controversy.

I knew I saw it.

I don't agree, mainly because it still is her body. And, although most women would not have an issue taking Plan B after a rape, I can see it being a difficult choice for at least a few women in very specific circumstances. I think I would have a difficult time taking it if there was a chance any baby could actually be my husband's vice the rapist's.

It absolutely should be offered free of charge for any rape victim though and she should be given full information about what could happen if she does get pregnant, her options past those days when Plan B is effective, what it will cost, and other relevant information. This will be a lot of info, but if there is any chance that she is likely to get an abortion later due to this, and she can take Plan B, it should be impressed upon her that Plan B is absolutely the better option, from most any perspective.
 
It absolutely should be offered free of charge for any rape victim though and she should be given full information about what could happen if she does get pregnant, her options past those days when Plan B is effective, what it will cost, and other relevant information. This will be a lot of info, but if there is any chance that she is likely to get an abortion later due to this, and she can take Plan B, it should be impressed upon her that Plan B is absolutely the better option, from most any perspective.

Prove that you were raped.

Did you get a rape kit done at a hospital or a police station?

Did the perpetrator get arrested in time?

Did you take the matter to court and get a criminal conviction?

Are you sure you were even raped? I mean, maybe you actually were interested but changed your mind at the last minute?

Etc etc...

Plan B should be available to every woman in a prompt fashion. They shouldn't have to give any reason or personal details to get it. As soon as you create imaginary stipulations, then access is more difficult and restrictions become aribitrary.

Anyone who was mature enough to have sex and accidentally get pregnant is mature enough to receive Plan B. Whether or not it was a product of rape is none of your business.
 
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