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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    .... It makes little sense to call yourself a Catholic and take positions completely contrary to the Church's belief and ethos...
    In practice. Roman Catholicism is the stickiest religion known to man, There is no formal way to leave it short of excommunication. If one were to travel to Afghanistan and join the Taliban, one would merely be "a bad Catholic." Hitler was "a bad Catholic". In the real world many nominal Catholics do not cleave to the hardline doctrine on contraception within their daily lives.
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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    In practice. Roman Catholicism is the stickiest religion known to man, There is no formal way to leave it short of excommunication. If one were to travel to Afghanistan and join the Taliban, one would merely be "a bad Catholic." Hitler was "a bad Catholic". In the real world many nominal Catholics do not cleave to the hardline doctrine on contraception within their daily lives.
    So? They are completely inconsistent in their position though. It makes no sense for them, like Hitler, to call themselves Catholics. Hitler clearly realised this as he didn't consider himself a Catholic and his intimates, like Speer, Bohrmann and Goebbels testify to this. It makes no sense for a Catholic to consider themselves such and utterly disrespect the Magisterium of the Church and its traditions. You may dissent from the Magisterium under certain circumstances, but on this kind of thing there is no difference between such a position and the worst kind of Protestantism, it is simply not the Catholic, or even Orthodox, position to just set yourself against the Church.
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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Maybe mainstream... but people can also be pro-life, as he and I are but realize that stopping a woman from choosing is more harm than good even if we feel horrible about the abortion.
    It's really misleading to use the term "pro-life" in a way most people don't. Your views will be misunderstood, and it will be your fault.
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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    I don't think you understand Catholicism. I was only commenting on the Catholic teaching. If you have an abortion you will be dealt with severely by the Roman Catholic Church. It makes little sense to call yourself a Catholic and take positions completely contrary to the Church's belief and ethos.

    This is simply an inaccurate reading of what the wiki article says. It may be true, but I don't think so. The Catholic Church isn't extreme, or at least not marginal.
    This is untrue. Not only does it not matter if they die naturally, that is not our concern, but conception is when a new being is formed and the point where the usual pro-life philosophy says life and personhood believe.
    Tell me, how does anyone prove that an abortion was caused when you can't even prove a pregnancy took place?
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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    So? They are completely inconsistent in their position though. It makes no sense for them, like Hitler, to call themselves Catholics. Hitler clearly realised this as he didn't consider himself a Catholic and his intimates, like Speer, Bohrmann and Goebbels testify to this. It makes no sense for a Catholic to consider themselves such and utterly disrespect the Magisterium of the Church and its traditions. You may dissent from the Magisterium under certain circumstances, but on this kind of thing there is no difference between such a position and the worst kind of Protestantism, it is simply not the Catholic, or even Orthodox, position to just set yourself against the Church.
    Sure there is. A medical doctor cannot even verify that a pregnancy ever took place or that an egg was ever fertilized, but then flushed out of a woman's body by Plan B. At this point in time, that is impossible for medical science to do. So how can any person in the Church prove that a person had an abortion?
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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Only a pure pacifist opposed to all wars, all soldiers and even defensive war can claim a woman aborting not to have a baby by a rapist is a murderer without being a total liar and hypocrite for their platitude of "innocence" of the rapist's ZEF defends it from being killed/destroyed.

    A rapist impregnating his victim makes that pregnancy an ongoing physical and psychological assault likely often worse than the initial assault. A rape is an individual act of war against the girl or woman.

    Soldiers are innocent. They are only doing what they are required to do. Therefore, under the "killing an innocent person is murder" means they can not be killed.

    Civilians are innocent. Taking any stance, even defensive, on war kills innocent civilians. Therefore no country may militarily defend itself because doing so is murder.

    I do not think "innocence" of the rapist's impregnation has any relevancy nor could it be relevant to anyone who isn't also a pure pacifist in all other regards.
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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    It's really misleading to use the term "pro-life" in a way most people don't. Your views will be misunderstood, and it will be your fault.
    Which of these definitions am I using in a misleading way?

    pro–life adj \(ˌ)prō-ˈlīf\

    Definition of PRO-LIFE

    : opposed to abortion


    Pro-life - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

    pro-life
    Definition
    pro-life
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    1. against open access to abortion: in favor of bringing the human fetus to full term, especially, involved in campaigning against open access to abortion and against experimentation on embryos


    define pro-life - Bing DICTIONARY

    pro-life

    — adj
    (of an organization, pressure group, etc) supporting the right to life of the unborn; against abortion, experiments on embryos, etc


    Pro-life | Define Pro-life at Dictionary.com

    That being said I don't tell people that I am pro-life even though I am... why? People are too pigeon holed with their black and white notion of reality. People can be pro-life and not support the movement of zealots that scream and shout that abortion shoult be illegal.
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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Which of these definitions am I using in a misleading way?

    pro–life adj \(ˌ)prō-ˈlīf\

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    : opposed to abortion


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    1. against open access to abortion: in favor of bringing the human fetus to full term, especially, involved in campaigning against open access to abortion and against experimentation on embryos
    The "against open access to abortion" part covers it. If you're against open access to abortion, it means you want to keep others from being able to have one.

    That being said I don't tell people that I am pro-life even though I am... why? People are too pigeon holed with their black and white notion of reality. People can be pro-life and not support the movement of zealots that scream and shout that abortion shoult be illegal.
    Sure, there's a difference between beliefs and tactics.

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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Tell me, how does anyone prove that an abortion was caused when you can't even prove a pregnancy took place?
    That has it back to front. We know that there is a chance, this is enough from the usual pro-life position. That it more often than not doesn't cause abortion is irrelevant, that you may cause abortion, and I mean may in terms of legitimate, academic evidence, is enough.
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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    That has it back to front. We know that there is a chance, this is enough from the usual pro-life position. That it more often than not doesn't cause abortion is irrelevant, that you may cause abortion, and I mean may in terms of legitimate, academic evidence, is enough.
    And yet the Catholic church will not kick anyone out unless it can be proven that the person had an abortion. They have said so. Since it is impossible to prove that Plan B was even necessary, let alone that it prevented a fertilized egg from implanting (which isn't even technically an abortion, only against the Catholic mainstream), then there is no way that the church could without a doubt prove that an abortion (even their version of one) ever took place.
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