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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    If you hold the usual pro-life position then you believe a fetus is a person. Killing an innocent person is generally murder. How is it not murder in this case from the usual pro-life perspective. I really don't understand your argument, but at least, unlike Objective-j, you are a somewhat sensible person Bodhi and may give me a proper answer.
    I don't argue with that... even though I have nothing but love for Objective J.

    I understand your point, though the cells at conception form a zygote and not a fetus as minor as that point might seem. I think that the issue is that a fetus contains the requisite components of being a person. A zygote doesn't even come close and the best that can be argued, as I have, is that the zygote might contain a soul or consciousness that we cannot measure. Minus that and the zygote is just a few random cells. I understand what it might become... but we know that a woman is a woman with consciousness and a fully developed independent body and a zygote is a couple of cells that have a great chance of simply being purged from the system during the next female cycle of in a miscarriage.

    I can see that some might call killing a zygote murder, but that only makes sense from a religious or moral perspective that probably has no logical or observable factors assigned to it.
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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    yep I agree, also selfish, pompous and hypocritical as an American IMO
    I agree with that as well...
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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I don't argue with that... even though I have nothing but love for Objective J.

    I understand your point, though the cells at conception form a zygote and not a fetus as minor as that point might seem. I think that the issue is that a fetus contains the requisite components of being a person. A zygote doesn't even come close and the best that can be argued, as I have, is that the zygote might contain a soul or consciousness that we cannot measure. Minus that and the zygote is just a few random cells. I understand what it might become... but we know that a woman is a woman with consciousness and a fully developed independent body and a zygote is a couple of cells that have a great chance of simply being purged from the system during the next female cycle of in a miscarriage.

    [UI can see that some might call killing a zygote murder, but that only makes sense from a religious or moral perspective that probably has no logical or observable factors assigned to it.
    amen amen
    and what does logical or observable factors translate into???

    FACTS there are no facts to support that false claim
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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    I guess I fall back on logic instead of emotion with regards to what human life actually is. Without consciousness, what are a couple of cells and why are they so important to other people? I will literally never get it. That being said, I wish that all pregnancies would continue unless there was rape or some severe medical condition.
    I have to agree with OJ here... I know many pro-lifers and have talked about it with some and they don't see the morning after pill or even very early abortion as murder. That entire notion seems fringe.
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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I have nothing but love for Objective J.
    lol niiiice

    careful Bodhisattva when I say abortion is not murder its "crap and nobody agrees with me" according to the false opinions of some
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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    amen amen
    and what does logical or observable factors translate into???

    FACTS there are no facts to support that false claim
    Agreed, but I would even go back a step or two... not only are there no facts, there is nothing even close to resembling the precursors to facts about this issue. Not only is there no observable consciousness... there is no brain to even hold consciousness. Neurons and all that good stuff...
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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    lol niiiice

    careful Bodhisattva when I say abortion is not murder its "crap and nobody agrees with me" according to the false opinions of some
    Call me Bodi and what do you mean... I am tired and a bit confused by the run-on sentence.
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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I have to agree with OJ here... I know many pro-lifers and have talked about it with some and they don't see the morning after pill or even very early abortion as murder. That entire notion seems fringe.
    for the record every pro-lifer I know in person doesnt even consider abortion murder not just the morning after pill

    now Im not saying those people dont exist. i seen them extremists on-line, on forums and video clips but Ive never encountered one in person
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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I have to agree with OJ here... I know many pro-lifers and have talked about it with some and they don't see the morning after pill or even very early abortion as murder. That entire notion seems fringe.
    Well some might not understand that there is a real dispute over whether it causes abortion. But, unless they have an unusual pro-life philosophy, they are being inconsistent or lacking moral courage if they aren't against it. If the dispute is cleared up and it can be shown not to cause abortion then not all pro-lifers should be against it, but right now they should be, unless they have an unusual pro-life position.
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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Call me Bodi and what do you mean... I am tired and a bit confused by the run-on sentence.
    will do! lol

    and what I mean is that every time I explain to him that abortion isnt murder he said thats crap and nobody agrees with me.

    I further explained how words have definitions and he cant just make them up, he said that was also crap and non one agrees.

    it was pretty funny.
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