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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    What you mean by personality is just what we normally refer to as consciousness. What I mean is the full human nature or person. The fetus, being a separate human being, has as much of this human nature as any other living, human being. That they haven't developed all the potential doesn't change the nature that is in them and to try and decide which humans have developed enough of their potential is a dangerous precedent.
    What do you mean by "human nature"? Is that just the quality of having human DNA? Your definition thus far seems vague.
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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    What do you mean by "human nature"? Is that just the quality of having human DNA? Your definition thus far seems vague.
    I mean the fullest nature or essence of humanity, that which man cannot lack without ceasing to be man, of which the formal cause, or properties, like DNA, are consequence to. It is the final cause of a individual human to develop this nature. The fetus is clearly a different being from the mother and is the same being as it would be if its mother gave birth to it at full term or when it is an adult. It shares the same human nature as any other person, and has the same core individual nature and personhood it would as an adult. It is simply more potential and less actuality in terms of material development towards the final cause of being a full human adult, than an adult is. But in no sense does this change its shared and individual nature and personhood.
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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Those who advocate rapists' rights to procreate by rape will absolutely refuse to discuss or even acknowledge the horrors and risks that WANT imposed on the victim. To the extent they even acknowledge the girl is a victim, they will only briefly trivialize her to next to nothing declaring only effect on women being violently forced to have children for rapists is that the woman doesn't like it - a fully acceptable price women pay to in exchange for granting full and legally protected rights to men to have as many dozens or hundreds of children they can have by rape.

    It does need to be recognized as pro-rapists-rights because they claim rapist men have an absolute right to force women to give them prodigy. They call that doing the right thing.

    ALL ideologue zelots who declare working horrific torture, pain, multilation, disfigurement, denial of any right to have any say on childbearing, sterilization, and death on women and even girls now as young as 5-years-old by violent assault - do so because they claim their personal philosophy leading such offenses against little girls and women by violent men must be imposed on women - because those ideologues self-declare they are so morally and intellectually superiot to everyone else the their personal philosophy should be inflicted on everyone by punitive law against everyone else.

    They ARE the Taliban. They are the Spanish Inquisition. They are the medieval Catholic Cardinals. They are the foremost evil in world history. THEY ARE THE ENEMY OF FREEDOM AND CIVIL RIGHTS. They are the religous and ideology zealots.

    I think law should have such people sterilized or castated to protect both women and children from them as my ideology and logic, facts and science more supports my position. As a safeguard, their children should be taken from them by CPS as they are clearly zealot sadists in my opinion. That is less harsh and against vastly less people than what they want done to people - against children, women and men. They want at least 40 million American women so far declared guilty of 1st Degree Capital Murder - thus the punishment against that offense - and they want to promote and encourage a radical increase in the number of rapists and serial rapists across the country with them providing both the motivation then legal protect for that motivation.

    Yes, there are men who want to force women to have their children. Yes, there are men who want women to suffer forced pregnancy. Yes, some men do DEMAND they have the optional right to procreate by rape and even some women join in - that being the demand of such so-called "pro-life" men, really meaning "pro-rapist-rights" men. Those are very sick people in my view and, worse, exceptionally dangerous people. The Bill of Rights exists to protect everyone in the event such religious and ideological control-freak zealots ever gain a majority.

    Explain again why you want the option of forcing any and all girls and women to have your children by violent rape? IN FACT, that is literally what you want and rational for - it's your PHILOSOPHY. Oh yes, that's right, you want the cops and courts to insure that if you exercise your procreation right by violent rape that you succeed and to protect your activated rape sperm and your ongoing biological attack against those women.

    Call it what it is: Wanting to have the option to have children by forced rape. Then, all that matters still is you - the rights of your "innocent" sperm.
    You're still doing it.

    I am pro-choice. But if I did believe abortion was murder, I would not feel the least bit guilty about forcing a rape victim not to kill her child. This whole line of thought fails. You're not helping your cause.
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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    I mean the fullest nature or essence of humanity, that which man cannot lack without ceasing to be man, of which the formal cause, or properties, like DNA, are consequence to. It is the final cause of a individual human to develop this nature. The fetus is clearly a different being from the mother and is the same being as it would be if its mother gave birth to it at full term or when it is an adult. It shares the same human nature as any other person, and has the same core individual nature and personhood it would as an adult. It is simply more potential and less actuality in terms of material development towards the final cause of being a full human adult, than an adult is. But in no sense does this change its shared and individual nature and personhood.
    One cannot be a "man" without thought and personal identity. Although both go through stages of development, the fetus is physically "tied" to the woman. Thus, it is within her realm of control.
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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    You're still doing it.

    I am pro-choice. But if I did believe abortion was murder, I would not feel the least bit guilty about forcing a rape victim not to kill her child. This whole line of thought fails. You're not helping your cause.
    And you truly keep finding any possible way to reduce the assaulted girl to absolutely nothing and to continue to grant total rights to the rapist.

    As you wrote in YOUR perspective: The success of his sperm becoming a growing biological intrusive organism that will torment her physically and painfully for 9 months and may well kill her is (in your words) "HER child."

    You left the rapist totally out of it as thought he, his rape and his DNA are non-existent.

    I have no doubt you have no guilt whatsoever being pro-serial-rapists'-rights given your prior view that the only effect of pregnancy by rape is that the woman is emotionally miffed by it and otherwise reducing the victim to nothingness in message after message.

    Admit it, you are absolutely for the right of a serial rapist to have as many dozens or hundreds of children as he can successfully get away with and have exactly no guilt or concern about what your rapist's rights ideology does to the females. If the little girl dies, commits suicide (common in countries were abortion is illegal, or left sterilized, you truly don't care as you say. All that matters is the rapist gets to force her to have HIS prodigy.

    UNLESS she herself wants the child, your writing that the rapist's prodigy is singularly "HER CHILD" is not just a DNA and genetic LIE, it also is extremely sadistic in my opinion.

    But, as you say yourself over and over again, your singular concern is that a rapist who has rapes girl to force them to have his baby should have absolutely succeeded in his goal. The girls are irrelevant you, only the rapist's right to procreate by rape. How many other excuses do you have for rapists and rapists' rights?

    Any other ways you want to post messages declaring rape is, at worst, only a nuisance as is pregnancy by rape to little girls and females?

    Since you OPENLY don't care if the girl commits suicide other than her killing the rapist's "child" in doing so, do you then also think he should be able to sue her estate for killing his child?
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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    And you truly keep finding any possible way to reduce the assaulted girl to absolutely nothing and to continue to grant total rights to the rapist.

    As you wrote in YOUR perspective: The success of his sperm becoming a growing biological intrusive organism that will torment her physically and painfully for 9 months and may well kill her is (in your words) "HER child."

    You left the rapist totally out of it as thought he, his rape and his DNA are non-existent.

    I have no doubt you have no guilt whatsoever being pro-serial-rapists'-rights given your prior view that the only effect of pregnancy by rape is that the woman is emotionally miffed by it and otherwise reducing the victim to nothingness in message after message.

    Admit it, you are absolutely for the right of a serial rapist to have as many dozens or hundreds of children as he can successfully get away with and have exactly no guilt or concern about what your rapist's rights ideology does to the females. If the little girl dies, commits suicide (common in countries were abortion is illegal, or left sterilized, you truly don't care as you say. All that matters is the rapist gets to force her to have HIS prodigy.

    UNLESS she herself wants the child, your writing that the rapist's prodigy is singularly "HER CHILD" is not just a DNA and genetic LIE, it also is extremely sadistic in my opinion.

    But, as you say yourself over and over again, your singular concern is that a rapist who has rapes girl to force them to have his baby should have absolutely succeeded in his goal. The girls are irrelevant you, only the rapist's right to procreate by rape. How many other excuses do you have for rapists and rapists' rights?

    Any other ways you want to post messages declaring rape is, at worst, only a nuisance as is pregnancy by rape to little girls and females?

    Since you OPENLY don't care if the girl commits suicide other than her killing the rapist's "child" in doing so, do you then also think he should be able to sue her estate for killing his child?
    Somewhere between 1 out of 10 to 1 out of 8 men will rape a woman in America. I suspect a much highly percentage fantasy of rape but dont' carry it out. Therefore, it is absolutely predictable about the same percentage of men will argue for the rights of rapists and minimize the girl and have little respect for women. Combined with radical religions of the same religions that argued for outlawing birth control previously (or still), there will always be a vocal minority arguing your religion/ideology.

    At least you draw the line - so far at least in your messages - to using the police, government, courts, prisons and taxpayers to enforce your personal idelogy on everyone else.

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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Somewhere between 1 out of 10 to 1 out of 8 men will rape a woman in America.
    I call solid digestive waste from a male bovine on this bogus statistic. I think you just made it up out of thin air, to support a point that wouldn't be supported by any verifiable statistic.
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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    I see no reason why a victim of rape should not be able to take RU-486. Forcing a woman to have the child of a rapist, is nothing more than second-class citizenship for women.

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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    You're still doing it.I am pro-choice. But if I did believe abortion was murder, I would not feel the least bit guilty about forcing a rape victim not to kill her child. This whole line of thought fails. You're not helping your cause.
    Literally, I think this post is not only reasonable, but fair.

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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    And you truly keep finding any possible way to reduce the assaulted girl to absolutely nothing and to continue to grant total rights to the rapist.

    As you wrote in YOUR perspective: The success of his sperm becoming a growing biological intrusive organism that will torment her physically and painfully for 9 months and may well kill her is (in your words) "HER child."

    You left the rapist totally out of it as thought he, his rape and his DNA are non-existent.

    I have no doubt you have no guilt whatsoever being pro-serial-rapists'-rights given your prior view that the only effect of pregnancy by rape is that the woman is emotionally miffed by it and otherwise reducing the victim to nothingness in message after message.

    Admit it, you are absolutely for the right of a serial rapist to have as many dozens or hundreds of children as he can successfully get away with and have exactly no guilt or concern about what your rapist's rights ideology does to the females. If the little girl dies, commits suicide (common in countries were abortion is illegal, or left sterilized, you truly don't care as you say. All that matters is the rapist gets to force her to have HIS prodigy.

    UNLESS she herself wants the child, your writing that the rapist's prodigy is singularly "HER CHILD" is not just a DNA and genetic LIE, it also is extremely sadistic in my opinion.

    But, as you say yourself over and over again, your singular concern is that a rapist who has rapes girl to force them to have his baby should have absolutely succeeded in his goal. The girls are irrelevant you, only the rapist's right to procreate by rape. How many other excuses do you have for rapists and rapists' rights?

    Any other ways you want to post messages declaring rape is, at worst, only a nuisance as is pregnancy by rape to little girls and females?

    Since you OPENLY don't care if the girl commits suicide other than her killing the rapist's "child" in doing so, do you then also think he should be able to sue her estate for killing his child?
    Enough already. You don't even begin to understand my point.
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