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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Keridan View Post
    I guess this is why abortion is a fuzzy topic for me. It's so hard to draw reasonable lines.
    I understand what you mean, but I define "reasonable" as something less than ending a human life. I strongly suggest you read this article on the Morning After pill if you care about the value of human life and want to make reasonable distinctions.

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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Pure nonsense. If abortion is considered murder, it should be murder regardless of how the victim happened to be conceived. A child of rape innocent. If abortion is not murder, it should be the woman's right, in all cases. No squishy, politically-palatable middle ground possible.
    I disagree 100%. It's not about Murder. I don't believe you've ever seen me use that word in any of my postings on the topic. It's about Personal Responsibility in my mind. One should not be held liable for acts which they did not consent to. One should most definitely be held liable for acts that they did consent to.


    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    You don't "consent" to be a parent. You decide. And that decision can come after sex too.
    Consent/decide.... kind of splitting hairs there aren't you? Ok fine.... When you engage in sexual intercourse you make a decision that you are willing to potentially be a parent. That's how I see it, and how I always will see it.

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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackstone View Post
    I understand what you mean, but I define "reasonable" as something less than ending a human life. I strongly suggest you read this article on the Morning After pill if you care about the value of human life and want to make reasonable distinctions.
    I appreciate the link and had a quick read. For the moment, I'm still just gonna go with fuzzy. I also have concerns about the worst day of a woman's life lasting 9 months.
    Omniscience just sucks without omnipotence!

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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I disagree 100%. It's not about Murder. I don't believe you've ever seen me use that word in any of my postings on the topic. It's about Personal Responsibility in my mind. One should not be held liable for acts which they did not consent to. One should most definitely be held liable for acts that they did consent to.
    So for you, it's simply about punishing women for having sex.

    When you engage in sexual intercourse you make a decision that you are willing to potentially be a parent.
    No you don't. Not if you have abortion or Plan B available to you. In other words, you're making a circular argument.
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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    So for you, it's simply about punishing women for having sex.
    For me it's about punishing BOTH parties involved for not thinking through their decision before making it. If one chooses to jump off a bridge without first checking to see what's underneath, should we really feel sorry for them when they break their spine on the rocks below?

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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    For me it's about punishing BOTH parties involved for not thinking through their decision before making it. If one chooses to jump off a bridge without first checking to see what's underneath, should we really feel sorry for them when they break their spine on the rocks below?
    Here's a better analogy: someone wants to jump out of an airplane, with a parachute. You want to take away the parachute in order to punish them for being stupid enough to jump out of an airplane. Yeah, that makes sense.

    Sex is other people's private business, including how they think through the decision to have it. If your only argument is that you want to punish someone for having sex, that fails.

    As you have heard many times before - mind your own business.
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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Pure nonsense.

    If abortion is considered murder, it should be murder regardless of how the victim happened to be conceived. A child of rape innocent.

    If abortion is not murder, it should be the woman's right, in all cases.

    No squishy, politically-palatable middle ground possible.
    Not sure why we're talking about abortion. Plan B isn't an abortion pill. This isn't directed at you specifically, but I figured it was a good place to interject.
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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    I voted in this one and I voted ....YES...she should

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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackstone View Post
    You're defining "conception" differently than most people, then. The sperm has already fertilized the egg and has created a human embryo. Conception has already taken place. The morning after pill is considered an abortifacient for precisely this reason, it is aborting an already-begun pregnancy, an already-begun human life. Plan B acts to prevent the human embryo from moving down the fallopian tube and attaching itself to the uterine wall, where it is nourished and grows for the next nine months of gestation before it is ready to leave the womb. In other words, it is equivalent to preventing a newborn infant from attaching itself to its mother's breast to feed. The life already exists. The abortifacient does not prevent conception, it prevents the growth, nourishment and development of an already conceived human child. Preventing conception in the first place is quite a different thing. Plan B is a chemical abortion.

    As for rape victims, while I cannot imagine how horrible a daily reminder of rape must be along with all the normal pain and inconvenience pregnancy brings, killing an innocent human life is not an acceptable way to alleviate suffering. Adoption is a humane alternative to an unwanted pregnancy, murder is not. A human life begins at conception and deserves the full protection of the law from that point on.
    People with degrees related to the use of Plan B would disagree with your assessment:

    The Plan B myth - Chicago Tribune

    In fact, the only links I could find to articles that agree with you have little to no scientific backing.
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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackstone View Post
    You're defining "conception" differently than most people, then. The sperm has already fertilized the egg and has created a human embryo. Conception has already taken place. The morning after pill is considered an abortifacient for precisely this reason, it is aborting an already-begun pregnancy, an already-begun human life. Plan B acts to prevent the human embryo from moving down the fallopian tube and attaching itself to the uterine wall, where it is nourished and grows for the next nine months of gestation before it is ready to leave the womb. In other words, it is equivalent to preventing a newborn infant from attaching itself to its mother's breast to feed. The life already exists. The abortifacient does not prevent conception, it prevents the growth, nourishment and development of an already conceived human child. Preventing conception in the first place is quite a different thing. Plan B is a chemical abortion.

    As for rape victims, while I cannot imagine how horrible a daily reminder of rape must be along with all the normal pain and inconvenience pregnancy brings, killing an innocent human life is not an acceptable way to alleviate suffering. Adoption is a humane alternative to an unwanted pregnancy, murder is not. A human life begins at conception and deserves the full protection of the law from that point on.
    Also, what would you have done to women who eat papaya or other foods known to induce spontaneous abortions before they're aware of a pregnancy? Women for whom a fertilized egg...a "life" by your definition, never attaches? Women who miscarry? You going to charge them with a crime because an egg fertilized? I can plant a seed for an oak tree, fertilize it, and water it religiously, and it still may not grow for a multitude of reasons. Fertilization alone is a damned limited means of defining "life", and, quite frankly, opens the door to punishing a lot of women for no good reason...all on the basis of subjective morality.
    Last edited by tessaesque; 12-16-11 at 02:21 PM.
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