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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I'm not sure what I think on this. If the zygote is indeed a developing human life, which it is, then, through my personal beliefs, I am not for the pill being used. However, since we are not a theocracy, I won't stop people from using the pill. Though, according to my personal beliefs, I definitely view abortion as murder and will vote against abortion unless it puts the mother's life in danger. Guess I put more importance on a developing baby than a developing zygote.
    To some degree, all pregnancies put the mother's life in danger.

    As for complicity of the rapist's "zygote," despite the fact is it assaulting the woman's body, then it is your view that no parent can protect him or herself against her or anyone else's child until the child knows it intends to cause harm?

    So if I could convince a child that a gun really is just a toy and won't hurt anyone, then you have no right to stop that child from gunning you down because the child isn't "complicite?"

    In fact, the rapist's zygote is physically assaulting the woman every second during the pregnancy. The assault is preventing her (and her man/husband) from having their own child. The ongoing rapist's assault by his 'zygote" he forcibly injected into her can end up leaving her sterile unable to have another child. The rapist's ongoing assault likely will cost her employment time that may cause her evicted, to lose her job, etc. The rapist's zygote is going ultimately rip open her vagina more than the rape or require her stomach be slit open. The rapist's forcibly injected zygote - if not stopped - is going to cause the woman more physical pain in labor than any man can imagine. The growing foreign body of the rapist will permanently alter her body. The rapist's injected zygote may indeed kill her and with no warning.

    DNA testing would confirm that the zygote IS the rapist doing the ongoing and worsening every-second of the woman's life assault.

    What other rights to continuously assault the woman would you grant to rapist-men over women?
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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I see it differently, and I'll explain why. What we know is that the rapist was wrong for his actions. However, your premise is that the zygote was complicit in the rape, and willfully partook in the attack. I view the zygote as a developing human. The developing life, by all rights, is innocent. It is its own life; not the rapist's. The developing life is not a continuation of the rapist's physical assault. I feel you're dehumanizing the innocent life by deeming the as just the rapist's "evil appendage." The innocent life is innocent. Thus, you cannot call it an "assaulting foreign attacker."
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    So if I could convince a child that a gun really is just a toy and won't hurt anyone, then you have no right to stop that child from gunning you down because the child isn't "complicite?"

    DNA testing would confirm that the zygote IS the rapist doing the ongoing and worsening every-second of the woman's life assault.
    I agree that though the unborn is innocent it is also like "original sin", fruit of the poisonous tree. The immoral action has created an unfair consequence that requires a final redress to bring about justice. This question moves beyond the abortion debate into "the letter of the law versus the spirit of the law", which is another debate.
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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    I'm not going to read all 26 pages of this to see if anyone has introduced REALITY to this question, so I'll just insert it here just in case no one else has:

    The Morning after pill can either 1) If taken early enough, stop the sperm from fertilizing the egg or 2) prevent the fertilized egg from attaching to the wall of the uterus.

    How Does it Work? - Morning After Pill

    That being said, even those against the pill due to it 'aborting' a pregnancy that has already started, please acknowledge that it's not necessarily true. It can take up to 3 days for the egg to be fertilized after sex. If you take it, literally the morning after, you're most likely just preventing fertilization.

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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Any person has a right to protect against and stop a physical assault. The "innocence" or "motive" of the other person or thing is irrelevant. That is fundamental civil and criminal law and has been for centuries. Thus, it is totally irrelevant if the zygote/fetus/unborn rapist's advanced sperm development lacks malicious motive.

    However, that most fundamental fundamental right to self defense from violent assault and to stop violent assault is a right that historically people want to take away from women - only from women.

    The claim above is that a woman can be physically multilated, sterilized, denied her birthing and parentage selection of her children's rights, physically alters, financially ruined, denied having her own children, crippled, caused great levels of pain across months and even killed - as long as who or what is doing doesn't have bad motive in doing so.

    However, they also believe this exception and denial of the otherwise universally accepted right to self-defense only applies to women.

    All these ideologies and slogans originate in religious dogmas that were a collection of obscene degradations of women.

    Anyone who argues they oppose abortion on the basis of preventing human life who isn't having as many children as absolutely possible is a 100%, absolute total liar if giving as reason protecting human life. Rather, they are prejudiced sicko control freaks and ideological zealots at the root of all great evils of humans against humans in human history. Having such petty little lives themselves, they advance their limited mental capacity to God-status demanding total control of others.

    They don't give a damn about children. They just want to control other people. So deperate to do so, they cheeringly join forces with rapists even to cause more rapes so they can exercise more control

    Any person demanding a raped woman have the rapist grow inside her tormenting and bear all the children he can manage is 1000 times more evil than the rapist himself. She can at least fight the rapist and hope after to prosecute. They knowingly, willfully and deliberately want to use the full force of government - guns and prisons and all - to assault her thousands of times longer and more devastatingly for which they DEMAND she has NO right to defend herself nor any rights to justice against THEIR and the government's assault of her - SINGULARLY for their CONCOCTED personal religious/ideological beliefs they demand she comply with. In fact, if she does defend herself from the rapist's organism he injected into her violently they declare her a child-murderer - an offense punishable by death. That is the price for denying them ideological total control of her for the right to assault her enduringly and forever.

    People who claim a women must have rapist's babies are pure evil people. Unfortunately the laws and government they want to use to most foully possible assault and violate women protects them, although I did throw one down a stairs one time in a highly self-contrained reaction without being prosecuted. Oh yeah, also physically dragged a minister away from his podium about it one time.

    IT also is KNOWN deliberate economic bigotry and selective rights granted to all but the poor. It is 100% known that all but poor girls and women would simple travel to have an abortion, so REALLY the goal is to only such horrifically assault poor women and girls, given a obvious pass to middle and upper class women and their children. Yet on other threads I bet you fnd most raging against poor teenage welfare mothers and teenage pregnancy. At the core, its about hating and degrading women with themselves as morally judgmental zealot control freaks.[/ .
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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by fredmertz View Post
    If you take it, literally the morning after, you're most likely just preventing fertilization.
    This is an excellent point, which brings the "morning after pill" into the arena of contraceptives. Unless one believes preventing conception equates to terminating a pregnancy?
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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    For some reason I suspect the anti-abortion people don't care. A couple decades ago, they were the same people making the same rationalization against birth control. But we'll see as this thread develops.

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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    To some degree, all pregnancies put the mother's life in danger.As for complicity of the rapist's "zygote," despite the fact is it assaulting the woman's body, then it is your view that no parent can protect him or herself against her or anyone else's child until the child knows it intends to cause harm? So if I could convince a child that a gun really is just a toy and won't hurt anyone, then you have no right to stop that child from gunning you down because the child isn't "complicite?" In fact, the rapist's zygote is physically assaulting the woman every second during the pregnancy. The assault is preventing her (and her man/husband) from having their own child. The ongoing rapist's assault by his 'zygote" he forcibly injected into her can end up leaving her sterile unable to have another child. The rapist's ongoing assault likely will cost her employment time that may cause her evicted, to lose her job, etc. The rapist's zygote is going ultimately rip open her vagina more than the rape or require her stomach be slit open. The rapist's forcibly injected zygote - if not stopped - is going to cause the woman more physical pain in labor than any man can imagine. The growing foreign body of the rapist will permanently alter her body. The rapist's injected zygote may indeed kill her and with no warning. DNA testing would confirm that the zygote IS the rapist doing the ongoing and worsening every-second of the woman's life assault.What other rights to continuously assault the woman would you grant to rapist-men over women?
    Respectfully, I don't see what your first sentence addresses. Your second segment is a little obscure to me. The developing life is innocent. I also don't see your comparison between an innocent and developing life, and a child with its own conscience. The same goes for your third segment, because a developing life within the womb is innocent, and has no conscience. Why kill a life for what the father did? I cannot agree with your claim that developing within a womb is physical assault. You may as well say that all lives developing withi the womb is physical assault. As I've said before, the focus is on the innocent life, and not the guilty rapist. The life is innocent, and it is morally reprehensible to snuff out the innocent life because of hatred for the guilty. It is a mistake to equate pregnancy and birth to physical assault and rape, because then you[general] would have to declare that for all or be seen as an emotional and biased hypocrite.

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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    People who claim a women must have rapist's babies are pure evil people. At the core, its about hating and degrading women with themselves as morally judgmental zealot control freaks.[/ .
    People aren't evil so much as ignorant it's their deeds that become harmful. Judgmental control freaks I'll buy. Been accused of that one myself

    I think women as a rule are not treated equal by a male dominated society but they make up for it by being shrewder. Who gets into more trouble, goes to jail more often and dies in Wars, dumb men. Who gets sweetheart gifts, expensive jewelry and control over the nest and checkbook, smart women.
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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    For some reason I suspect the anti-abortion people don't care. A couple decades ago, they were the same people making the same rationalization against birth control. But we'll see as this thread develops.
    As a pro-life person, I do care. I care about the innocent life, and I sympathize with the woman as well. I despise the rapist, but I don't take it to the point of killing an innocent life.

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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Lets change the age of the victim and add a little real world drama.

    An eleven year old girl is in her room doing her homework while watching TV. There are pictures of Justin Bieber hanging on her wall and several dolls on her dresser. Thoughts of sex haven't entered her radar screen yet and she's happy just playing with friends. Late one night an intruder snatches her from her room and takes her to a wooded area where over the course of the next several hours, she is repeatedly tortured and raped. No one hears her cries and screams during the ordeal but when it's finally over and the intruder looks for a rock to crush her skull, she manages to free herself and escapes.

    A short time later her parents show up at the hospital where they see how badly their little girl was beaten. A pediatric doctor informs them that the rape was not only brutal but there was evidence of strangulation and although that and her other physical wounds will heal, her emotional scars will take much longer. But...there's something else. There's evidence that she's reached puberty and since egg fertilization can occur in as little as one hour they advise an emergency contraception.

    Since this eleven year old girl was stolen, raped, beaten, and strangled, would any of you force her to get pregnant too?

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