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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Is killing a rapist in the act of rape murder or self-defense?

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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Give it a rest already.

    Either abortion is murder - in which case, all of the above is a load of emotional crap you're using to justify murdering babies - or abortion is not murder, in which case women should be able to abort for any reason, from rape to simple convenience, and all of what you wrote is true, but a bit overblown.
    What about the Commandment: "Thou Shalt Not Kill"? It does not distinguish at what point thou shalt not kill, don't swipe a bug away, don't step on a roach, don't kill animals for food, don't kill in defense of your person, family or country, don't execute (kill) criminals, don't keep a terminal patient existing in agony with technology? Where do you draw the line at murder and killing? The question isn't "does life begin at conception" rather who determines what's right for the individual and society as a whole.
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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Not so much 'who', but rather 'what'.
    The reason I note ‘what’ is that as our knowledge generally increases a previous decision on what reality is may have to change.
    Last edited by OhIsee.Then; 12-30-11 at 01:31 PM. Reason: addition

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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    immoral [ɪˈmɒrəl]
    adj
    1. transgressing accepted moral rules; corrupt
    2. sexually dissolute; profligate or promiscuous
    3. unscrupulous or unethical immoral trading
    4. tending to corrupt or resulting from corruption an immoral film immoral earnings
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    immoral - definition of immoral by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

    Isn't saying that "I killed your son" transgressing accepted moral rules?
    Candidly, generally I use "unethical" rather than "immoral," but in discussion with religious people I use "moral/immoral" because they tend not to understand what I mean by "unethical." Or I just use "right" and "wrong."

    Saying - for hurtful reason - "I killed your son" is wrong because of the motive in doing so. But it is circumstantial too.

    If a man raped a girl or woman (including if his wife) declaring he was going to make her pregnant and force her to be pregnant and have a child for him, it may be justified if the woman aborted and then told him "I killed your son!", whether she saw the aborted fetus as a child or not.

    Or it could be said lamentingly, in the sense a woman did something careless causing a miscarriage, so stated in a lamenting and remorseful way accepting guilt to the consentual bio-father.

    Its not the words that are moral or ethical compass for that statement. It is the circumstances and intention that is.

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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    Is killing a rapist in the act of rape murder or self-defense?
    Self defense.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    This is though. Rape is not an excuse for murder, if it's murder. If it's not murder, every woman, not just rape victims, should have the right to abort, etc.

    This point is in support of the pro-choice position. Letting anti-abortionists get away with a politically expedient, yet blatantly hypocritical rape exception makes it easier for them to get their way. Don't let them.
    I do not consider abortion to be murder.
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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    LMAO

    are there actually 7 people that answered no, the pill is unethical? are they around, can I talk to them please Id like to here why?
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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    Is killing a rapist in the act of rape murder or self-defense?
    self defense...
    This may have been a topic on another old thread.

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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    I'm not sure what I think on this. If the zygote is indeed a developing human life, which it is, then, through my personal beliefs, I am not for the pill being used. However, since we are not a theocracy, I won't stop people from using the pill. Though, according to my personal beliefs, I definitely view abortion as murder and will vote against abortion unless it puts the mother's life in danger. Guess I put more importance on a developing baby than a developing zygote.

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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    The relevant aspect of that question is whether preventing a rapist from succeeding in his goal of violently forcing a woman to carry and give birth to his children - that a continuation of his assault against her - is "murder" or "self-defense?" A forced pregnancy and labor is an ongoing physical assault by the rapist. By rights and law, any person can use force including deadly force to stop a physical assault from continuing. This would include against anyone assisting the rapist in doing so.

    IF the "fetus" is a "person," then it is a person acting with the rapist to physically assault that woman continuously and increasingly for month after month - or at least that's what such pro-lifers want to happen. The rapist injected himself physically into the woman planting a physical part of him in her as a foreign organism (his sperm), which then that element of the rapist's body will increasingly continue the physical assault against woman every second for 9 months as an ongoing assault - including with permanent injury or death of the woman potentials - by the rapist's physical self, ie his growing sperm.

    That woman certainly can destroy that physical-element of the rapist assaulting her body if she wants to. A person kill an assailant if that is the only way to end the assault. The growing rapist's sperm is an ongoing rape-assault by the rapist and if the fetus a "person" then that person is a physical assailant against her - an assault she can forcibly stop including with deadly force.

    Killing an assailant necessary to stop the physical assault is not murder.
    Last edited by joko104; 12-30-11 at 02:52 PM.

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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The relevant aspect of that question is whether preventing a rapist from succeeding in his goal of violently forcing a woman to carry and give birth to his children "murder" or "self-defense?" A forced pregnancy and labor is an ongoing physical assault by the rapist. By rights and law, any person can use force including deadly force to stop a physical assault from continuing. This would include against anyone assisting the rapist in doing so. IF the "fetus" is a "person," then it is a person acting with the rapist to physically assault that woman continuously and increasingly for month after month - or at least that's what such pro-lifers want to happen. The rapist injected himself physically into the woman planting a part of him in her as a foreign organism (his sperm), which then will increasingly physically assault the woman every second for 9 months as an ongoing assault by the rapist's physical self. That woman certainly can destroy that assaulting foreign attacker if she wants to.
    I see it differently, and I'll explain why. What we know is that the rapist was wrong for his actions. However, your premise is that the zygote was complicit in the rape, and willfully partook in the attack. I view the zygote as a developing human. The developing life, by all rights, is innocent. It is its own life; not the rapist's. The developing life is not a continuation of the rapist's physical assault. I feel you're dehumanizing the innocent life by deeming the as just the rapist's "evil appendage." The innocent life is innocent. Thus, you cannot call it an "assaulting foreign attacker."

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