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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    But you don't believe that a woman should be forced to continue an unwanted pregnancy, especially one resulting from rape, correct?
    I do not believe a woman is ever required to continue an unwanted pregnancy. However, because there are a different set of ethical questions, I would not be troubled by law prohibiting an abortion in a manner that destroys the fetus if the fetus is life-viable outside the woman. That enters some when-is-the-deadline gray areas that become complex.

    The justification given for paritial birth abortion ban was some horrific accounts of very late term abortion in which breathing babies were born - limbs cut off attempting abortion by a doctor - who then smoother or other terminate the life of the now born baby. That is unthinkably horrific and simply too savage to accept. I do think society can set a deadline around when a woman can abort upon independent-life viability to prevent such nightmare scenes ever happening again.

    So my answer is absolutely and regardless of why. In some situations it might be immoral, but not my moral decision to enforce.

    An example might be a woman who becomes pregnant deliberately with a man - both wanting a child - and then as a pissy mood revenge against the bio-father aborted to declare to him hurtfully "I killed you son, how do you like that you asshole?!" Very immoral conduct. Not illegal though. There are powers and inabilities both genders have in parentage as simple reality.

    Exceptions? I think society may prohibit abortion if it wishes too, but only when the host mother's body is no longer a necessity for life - again acknowledging there are complicated gray areas. For example, should a woman be allowed a C-section abortion in the 6th month, resulting in a severe living premie? I could accept a "no" to that. I'd have to think more about those type issues as they are quite different.
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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    An example might be a woman who becomes pregnant deliberately with a man - both wanting a child - and then as a pissy mood revenge against the bio-father aborted to declare to him hurtfully "I killed you son, how do you like that you asshole?!" Very immoral conduct. Not illegal though.
    Why is that immoral?
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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Just my opinion. Generally, justifying morality is all around each person's beliefs, which is subjective.

    I suppose if I had to explain it the reason is because her goal was to emotionally harm him in a way that seems quite wrong. Since parentage is also highly emotions to most men, it could be particularly harmful. Then again, if they scrimped and saved to buy a car, and in a pissy mood he came home to a smashed up car with a sledge hammer she's holding raging, "I smashed the car, you do you like that you asshole!?" also is immoral. Probably less because it less hurtful emotionally. Not illegal if she had a legal right to do as she pleased to the car or it marital community property.

    If two people agree to have a child that is an agreement, then breaking it - in some situations - is wrong in an ethical or moral sense. People do all sorts of immoral and unethical things in relationship fueds and fights. Rarely are any illegal nor should be.

    If your trying to prove it's immoral to me because it was "a child," didn't work. Yet in no manner is "having a child" not a very significant if not the most significant decision a couple can make.

    Since women do have total control - like it or not - men should be extra nice to women they impregnant, particularly if the man wants to be father of the child. This also is reason why a man should give a great deal of thought to doing so in the first place and, if so, who that woman will be. Before having a child, both the woman and man should consider the essentially lifelong mine field they are walking into - and who they walk into it with.

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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    So if a woman was in a coma, and a doctor took the fetus out at 8 1/2 months, that wouldn't be abortion because she didn't know about it?
    Unless the measure is being done because there is no chance of saving either of them without killing the child, the doctor is most likely going to work to save the child at 8 1/2 months, especially since the mother would not be able to consent to an abortion in a coma. Even if a pregnant woman that far along was dying and basically brain dead, but they thought they could save the child, doctors would most of the time try to save the baby.

    I have no idea what you are talking about. If someone, anyone knows there's a living baby in there, then it is most definitely abortion. Not really very hard to figure out here.
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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    Do you believe the fetus is more important than the rape victim?
    No, I believe they are equally important, as human beings. Do you believe a rape victim is more important than a child?
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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    One thing that is for sure is that the last few pages of joko's posts have been nothing but helpful for the pro-life movement.
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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post

    I see no more rationality in claiming a one-cell zygote is a human life with all legal rights is any different from a single cell egg or single cell sperm. None of the 3 have any possible future independent of the host body at that point. Other than some religion-based ideological slogan, there is no difference.
    What does that fetus become though? Obviously, generally, fully developed human being. The zygote is no longer simply part of the mother, is its own being. It has in it all it takes to develop its final cause and nature. It is as much a human being as the mother, it is simply more potential than actual, but the they share an equal human nature and personhood. All you are saying is you get to decide when a human being has developed enough of their potential humanity to not be expendable. Why stop at just fetuses?
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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Keep in mind that fertilization (the union of female ovum, or egg, and male sperm) occurs in the fallopian tube and that fertilization marks the beginning of a new human life - and the beginning of the pregnancy. The newly created child then travels down the fallopian tube to the uterus (womb) where he or she implants. Implantation is necessary for the new child to receive nourishment from the mother and continue developing.
    Wow, even these people agree that a newly fertilized egg is a child.
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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I have no idea what you are talking about. If someone, anyone knows there's a living baby in there, then it is most definitely abortion. Not really very hard to figure out here.
    I agree. That was the point I was making.
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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    I agree. That was the point I was making.
    And, just taking a morning after pill does not mean that someone is pregnant, so there is no way to know at all if the person "aborted" a fertilized egg or not.

    In fact, a person isn't officially pregnant until the egg is implanted. Some may believe that the fertilized egg means pregnancy, but, atm, we have no way to detect when an egg within the womb is fertilized. Even when we know there are fertilized eggs in a woman's womb, she is still not treated as being pregnant until they implant and tests come back to say she is.
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