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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    How do you propose defining it? If you do it scientifically, a zygote is an organism.
    I'm not actually making one proposal. I'm pointing out one of many 'defensible' positions. For instance in the case I made the possibility of a human life is all that is necessary. It's interesting that you are using a scientific definition. Science is neither the point nor the reference that is being used much in this discussion of the morning after pill. Note that a fertile seed is not a plant. Do you need more?

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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by rosie1 View Post
    For those who oppose the plan B pill, what if the rape victim is an 11 year old girl, perhaps a girl so small that pregnancy would be dangerous to her?

    No-one should have the legal right to tell a woman what she can do with her own body, as it is not their body to decide.
    This.

    There was actually a case just like this in El Salvador years ago, where all abortions are illegal, even those needed to save the life of the mother.

    A nine-year-old was raped and became pregnant. Yes, you read that right. She was advised to have an abortion because of the sheer danger of a body that small carrying a fetus inside her. What happened to the doctor that made this recommendation? He was excommunicated, BUT NOT THE MAN WHO RAPED HER. The abortion was not allowed to take place, so she was forced to deliver by C-section. Think about that. An underage girl was forced against her will three times. She was forced to have sex, she was forced not to abort, and therefore she was forced to have a C-section.

    What the antiabortionists choose not to understand is that when women of any age lose the right to protect and govern their bodies, **** like this will happen. It is inevitable. There are some sick, twisted people out there that have zero respect for women. And dare I say that a man's level of respect who believes all this is okay (because it's a lot rarer that women do) is not much higher.
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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    OH MY GOSH!!! Do you read? I said, I do not want Federal funds paying FOR ANY ABORTION, NO MATTER THE CAUSE!!!! . The current version of the Hyde Amendment allows abortion for rape, incest, or health of the mother. DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW?
    Ok I could see you heartlessly and selfishly denying rape and incest victims abortion to meet your personal belief system, but the health of the mother too? You do realize that women are humans right?

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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    If a woman has an egg available and she doesn’t get a sperm for it she has killed her baby, his too. It is not hard to understand this. You are making a mistake when you arbitrarily define when a baby is created. Where do those like you get that so obviously incorrect perception? Note that even some religions have decided this since coupling with birth control is forbidden.
    No one argues that an egg alone is a baby. There's a huge difference between a haploid cell and diploid. Eggs are haploid, zygotes are diploid.

    There is no non-arbitrary point along development where we can see that human dignity is gained. Therefore, we must default to conception, which is where the first diploid cell is made.

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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    This.

    There was actually a case just like this in El Salvador years ago, where all abortions are illegal, even those needed to save the life of the mother.

    A nine-year-old was raped and became pregnant. Yes, you read that right. She was advised to have an abortion because of the sheer danger of a body that small carrying a fetus inside her. What happened to the doctor that made this recommendation? He was excommunicated, BUT NOT THE MAN WHO RAPED HER. The abortion was not allowed to take place, so she was forced to deliver by C-section. Think about that. An underage girl was forced against her will three times. She was forced to have sex, she was forced not to abort, and therefore she was forced to have a C-section.

    What the antiabortionists choose not to understand is that when women of any age lose the right to protect and govern their bodies, **** like this will happen. It is inevitable. There are some sick, twisted people out there that have zero respect for women. And dare I say that a man's level of respect who believes all this is okay (because it's a lot rarer that women do) is not much higher.
    The problem with issues like this is the judgment. Are we going to say that the life of the 9 year old is more valuable than the life of the baby? None of us can make that call.

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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    You are making a mistake when you arbitrarily define when a baby is created.
    Aside from defining it scientifically or arbitrarily, what other alternatives are there?
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    The problem with issues like this is the judgment. Are we going to say that the life of the 9 year old is more valuable than the life of the baby? None of us can make that call.
    I hope that, before you stop and respond to this, that you can realize what an incredibly insensitive comment you just made. That was the first thing you singled out, and not that a doctor was excommunicated for potentially saving this underage rape victim's life (or at least health), and the pedophile wasn't? You give us strong reason to question your motives, phattonez, and I hope you can stop and think about why.

    Furthermore, right after accusing me of making a judgment, you made one yourself. Can we please dispense with the double standards?
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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    I hope that, before you stop and respond to this, that you can realize what an incredibly insensitive comment you just made. That was the first thing you singled out, and not that a doctor was excommunicated for potentially saving this underage rape victim's life (or at least health), and the pedophile wasn't? You give us strong reason to question your motives, phattonez, and I hope you can stop and think about why.
    I didn't make a comment about the excommunication because I really don't know enough about the situation. I was merely trying to point out that making the choice between the baby and the mother is not an easy one, as you seemed to imply.

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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    The problem with issues like this is the judgment. Are we going to say that the life of the 9 year old is more valuable than the life of the baby? None of us can make that call.
    Well I can certainly make that call. Yes, the life of an abused 9 year old is more important than the embryo that will destroy her insides for life and possibly kill her. Little girls... and even *gasp!* women... are actual living, breathing people, not perhaps-someday people. And most importantly, they are not chattel, they are not property, and they have the same right to control what happens to their own bodies as men do. A stunning revelation to some, I know. Deal with it.
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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Well I can certainly make that call. Yes, the life of an abused 9 year old is more important than the embryo that will destroy her insides for life and possibly kill her. Little girls... and even *gasp!* women... are actual living, breathing people, not perhaps-someday people. And most importantly, they are not chattel, they are not property, and they have the same right to control what happens to their own bodies as men do. A stunning revelation to some, I know. Deal with it.
    What revelation? That you conveniently choose to ignore the life of an unborn child? Tell me then what non-arbitrary event you use to define when human dignity is acquired.

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