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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Wow, really starting to get inappropriate, especially in a thread about reproduction. (And I'm pro-choice too).
    Oh lighten up.

    To be honest, that didn't even occur to me.

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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Incredibly lame response. You just deny it. Great.

    So what do you want? It's already illegal. Do you want it to be double-secret illegal?
    Nope, I want the Federal gov't to stop funding the murder of babies. Simple enough for you?
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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Nope, I want the Federal gov't to stop funding the murder of babies. Simple enough for you?
    So what you're saying is you want the government to make it ilegal to use federal funds for abortion? Is that it? Because I want to be clear on this. Maybe Congress could call that, say, the "Hyde amendment" in honor of former congressman Henry Hyde. You think he'd like that?
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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    So what you're saying is you want the government to make it ilegal to use federal funds for abortion? Is that it? Because I want to be clear on this. Maybe Congress could call that, say, the "Hyde amendment" in honor of former congressman Henry Hyde. You think he'd like that?
    OH MY GOSH!!! Do you read? I said, I do not want Federal funds paying FOR ANY ABORTION, NO MATTER THE CAUSE!!!! . The current version of the Hyde Amendment allows abortion for rape, incest, or health of the mother. DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW?
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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    I'm seriously not posting in this thread anymore merely for your presence in it. Wow.
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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Nope, I want the Federal gov't to stop funding the murder of babies. Simple enough for you?
    abortion is not murder.

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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    I don't get it. Why shouldn't a rape victim be allowed to take a pill to end something growing in her that was FORCEFULLY implanted????

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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Enola View Post
    I don't get it. Why shouldn't a rape victim be allowed to take a pill to end something growing in her that was FORCEFULLY implanted????
    Because women who are raped deserve it, don't you know?

    Abortion wasn't "murder" until women started to have control over their own bodies, and men lost that control. The patriarchy doesn't like women who don't know their place. Our civilization has made major progress in moving beyond that mentality, but the groups who still support it will use any tactic to stretch it out, which includes inventing a new murder clause around abortion to completely bypass the women's rights issue. Some pro-lifers know that this is exactly what it's about, while others are naive and think they are fighting a just cause.

    What I wish the pro-life would address - instead of the repetitious and substanceless personhood argument - is that if abortion becomes murder, then a pregnant woman loses a significant number of her rights. Her body comes under the purview of the State. How do they plan to violate, among other things, the 1st and 4th Amendments of the Constitution, along with freedom of movement, in enforcing pregnancies? As of right now, it is - legally speaking - none of the government's business whether or not you are pregnant at all.

    You could be in your home for your entire pregnancy and no one would have to know. The State only concerns itself once the baby is born, because then it has legal protections. If a fetus has the right to life and pesonhood, then that means the government necessarily must become a lot more involved in a woman's pregnancy, and thus her bodily concerns. That will never happen - too many people would fight it.

    Because of this, even if abortion is made illegal there will be no way for the government to track pregnancies that doesn't violate the Constitution; and therefore, abortion, like pregnancy, still remains a de facto private matter, as it is now due to Roe v Wade. The only important distinction is safe access to abortion, and punishment for getting one. No life is saved, and in many instances where abortion is illegal, women will actually die.

    This is why the religious right (the main proponents of pro-life) will not get what they want. The majority is already against them, and so is the Constitution. They argue for life but they don't realize that criminalizing abortion does not save life, it just creates punishment. It punishes women, specifically, which is the whole point. Women got their civil rights, now they should pay for them too, right?

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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    I wuv you Temporal.

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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    I remember back in the 90s reading some anti-abortion literature that said a woman should bear the child of her rapist. One of their arguments was that a woman could still stop the pregnancy if she went to the ER and got a pill that would still prevent the pregnancy. It seems now they're even against that pill that will prevent her from having to get an abortion later on.

    I think it's ridiculous to regard a zygote as a human child. It has no heart beat, no brain waves, no ability to feel or think. It has human DNA, but so do sperm cells and egg cells. The difference is religious superstition. The right-wing fanatics believe that God has implanted this magic thing called a "soul" into the zygote, which they cannot prove exists and is supposedly the essence of the person. That's rubbish.

    Terminating a zygote is no more murder than killing an ovum or a sperm cell. A rape victim should be able to take that plan b pill to terminate the zygote that was forced upon her. To deny her that right because an imaginary playmate named God put a magic thing called a soul into a zygote is just absurd.

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