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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Yep, that sounds like a gov't funded and operated program to me. I will agree my wording was misleading, but the intent behind it was to show that Planned Parenthood wouldn't exist without our taxpayer dollars. Something I strongly object to because I am staunchly pro-life yet I have to pay for the murder of innocent babies.
    Planned Parenthood prevents more abortions. As per the Hyde Amendment, no federal tax dollars are spent on abortion unless for saving the life of the pregnant woman, rape, or incest. Even those are only for medicaid recipients. Since your are PRO-LIFE, I assume you are equally opposed to spending your money to pay for war, capital punishment. I assume you equally support spending tax money for improved health care for children and aid for impoverished single mothers.
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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by OKgrannie View Post
    Planned Parenthood prevents more abortions. As per the Hyde Amendment, no federal tax dollars are spent on abortion unless for saving the life of the pregnant woman, rape, or incest. Even those are only for medicaid recipients. Since your are PRO-LIFE, I assume you are equally opposed to spending your money to pay for war, capital punishment. I assume you equally support spending tax money for improved health care for children and aid for impoverished single mothers.
    Nice try on spinning the pro-life thing. Since you're pro-choice, that would insinuate that you choose to kill people or not where as I wouldn't because I'm pro-life right? So, if we both really stick to your interpretation of it, I am on the moral high ground because I don't want to kill anyone whereas you kill people if you choose too. Weak argument from someone who has none. In addition, improved health care for children and aid for impoverished single mothers is not the discussion point and you're not going to re-direct from the fact that Federal taxpayer dollars do in fact fund Planned Parenthood who do in fact perform abortions. Don't confuse your issues with my facts. The fact is that an abortion is an abortion, whether for the life of a pregnant woman, rape, or incest. I'm not cold hearted and understand how hard it must be for a woman to go through those things. However, only 2.8% of abortions occur for the purpose of saving the mothers life. In addition, there is no clarification of what constitutes "life threatening" to a doctor that will perform an abortion.
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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Nice try on spinning the pro-life thing. Since you're pro-choice, that would insinuate that you choose to kill people or not where as I wouldn't because I'm pro-life right? So, if we both really stick to your interpretation of it, I am on the moral high ground because I don't want to kill anyone whereas you kill people if you choose too. Weak argument from someone who has none. In addition, improved health care for children and aid for impoverished single mothers is not the discussion point and you're not going to re-direct from the fact that Federal taxpayer dollars do in fact fund Planned Parenthood who do in fact perform abortions. Don't confuse your issues with my facts. The fact is that an abortion is an abortion, whether for the life of a pregnant woman, rape, or incest. I'm not cold hearted and understand how hard it must be for a woman to go through those things. However, only 2.8% of abortions occur for the purpose of saving the mothers life. In addition, there is no clarification of what constitutes "life threatening" to a doctor that will perform an abortion.
    Tax payer dollars do not go to perform abortions though. That is the point. Your tax payer dollars do not pay for women to have elective abortions at planned parenthood. I think planned parenthood has been persecuted for no reason. People do not seem to be understanding that. Planned Parenthood goes to helping women's health. It is a good cause but it has been demonized because of one facet of what they do.

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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Nice try on spinning the pro-life thing. Since you're pro-choice, that would insinuate that you choose to kill people or not where as I wouldn't because I'm pro-life right? So, if we both really stick to your interpretation of it, I am on the moral high ground because I don't want to kill anyone whereas you kill people if you choose too. Weak argument from someone who has none. In addition, improved health care for children and aid for impoverished single mothers is not the discussion point and you're not going to re-direct from the fact that Federal taxpayer dollars do in fact fund Planned Parenthood who do in fact perform abortions. Don't confuse your issues with my facts. The fact is that an abortion is an abortion, whether for the life of a pregnant woman, rape, or incest. I'm not cold hearted and understand how hard it must be for a woman to go through those things. However, only 2.8% of abortions occur for the purpose of saving the mothers life. In addition, there is no clarification of what constitutes "life threatening" to a doctor that will perform an abortion.
    You do understand that federal dollars funding Planned Parenthood must be spent on non-abortion services? The money must be carefully accounted for due to the Hyde Amendment. That money spent on providing low-cost birth control and education on using birth control prevents many more abortions than PP provides. If you want to see MORE abortions, defund PP.
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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    From the Western New York Planned Parenthood website:
    "Planned Parenthood participates in a federal funding program called Title X (10); a program that allows us to supplement birth control, GYN care, and other reproductive health services for women who cannot pay full price for health care services. This program does not pay for abortion care."

    From Lifenews.com
    "On February 17, 2011, Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott issued an opinion affirming that the state may exclude providers that perform abortions or are affiliates of abortion providers from a Medicaid program.

    The Texas de-funding has already resulted in the closing of 12 Planned Parenthood centers.

    “A new confirmed total of 12 Planned Parenthood facilities have been shut down in Texas since the end of the 82ndlegislative special session, which dealt the abortion industry a $64.2 million blow. Without government funding, Planned Parenthood facilities are withering on the vine. New funding priorities set by the legislature detail that any facility associated with the abortion industry is given the lowest priority for family planning funds. As a result, three Planned Parenthood affiliates have been forced to close several of their facilities in order to reduce operating costs,” said Elizbaeth Graham of Texas Right to Life.

    Yep, that sounds like a gov't funded and operated program to me. I will agree my wording was misleading, but the intent behind it was to show that Planned Parenthood wouldn't exist without our taxpayer dollars. Something I strongly object to because I am staunchly pro-life yet I have to pay for the murder of innocent babies.
    Federal FUNDING. Doesn't automatically mean that they're a government agency. Besides, if you had simply researched via primary sources, you would have found this:

    "The award will be made at an awards ceremony hosted by the International Planned Parenthood Federation (IPPF), the world’s largest non-governmental organization working on sexual and reproductive health and rights, in London, 27 November 2010."

    Assuming you even clicked on the above link, did you notice what the homepage is? Ippf.org. What was that about Planned Parenthood being a federal program? And even if you meant that as PP's scope, it's under the umbrella of IPPF, which is international.

    You really, really need to be more careful with your wording next time.

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    Abortion, considering as it amounts to basically murder from a pro-life perspective, is not one of the better areas for you to make these kind of arguments. This is not the same sort of issue as who you sleep with or even who you marry.
    Oh really? Then tell me, if abortion becomes illegal, how are they gonna enforce against all the back-alley abortions? Police staffs are already overworked as is.
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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by lovetosing4678 View Post
    Tax payer dollars do not go to perform abortions though. That is the point. Your tax payer dollars do not pay for women to have elective abortions at planned parenthood. I think planned parenthood has been persecuted for no reason. People do not seem to be understanding that. Planned Parenthood goes to helping women's health. It is a good cause but it has been demonized because of one facet of what they do.
    Quote Originally Posted by OKgrannie View Post
    You do understand that federal dollars funding Planned Parenthood must be spent on non-abortion services? The money must be carefully accounted for due to the Hyde Amendment. That money spent on providing low-cost birth control and education on using birth control prevents many more abortions than PP provides. If you want to see MORE abortions, defund PP.
    Isn't it interesting how the anti-Planned-Parenthood attacks generally come from and not ?
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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Isn't it interesting how the anti-Planned-Parenthood attacks generally come from and not ?
    Interesting how this is an ad-hominem attack?

    Murder is murder. If you can't justify it outside of the womb then you can't justify it inside of the womb.

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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Isn't it interesting how the anti-Planned-Parenthood attacks generally come from and not ?
    Don't inject sexism into this. You'll only piss off those males who support you.
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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    you're not going to re-direct from the fact that Federal taxpayer dollars do in fact fund Planned Parenthood who do in fact perform abortions.
    Federal funds can't be spent on abortions.

    PP spends it on, among other things, birth control that prevents abortions.

    You're the one redirecting.
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    Re: Should a rape victim be able to take the morning after pill?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Interesting how this is an ad-hominem attack?

    Murder is murder. If you can't justify it outside of the womb then you can't justify it inside of the womb.
    No it's not an ad hominem. If I claim that females are more likely to do X or males are more likely to do Y, that in and of itself is not an ad hominem. It's pretty rare to meet a non-Mormon, non-Catholic woman that opposes birth control.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Don't inject sexism into this. You'll only piss off those males who support you.
    Denial of sexism is a form of sexism. Besides, truly pro-choice men are going to tend to agree with me, because it's not gonna bruise their egos to do so.
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