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Photo ID to vote?

Photo ID to vote?


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Looks like producing a photo ID in the election is a hassle to some people for various reasons and yet many people are questioning Obama's nationalty by demanding to see his birth certificate.
 
But how do they benefit from fraud of only (less than) 86 people in 5 years commit it? LOL.

Yep, this is a solution for which there is no known problem. It has one purpose and one purpose only; to suppress the vote. It IS institutional voter fraud in its own right.
 
Talk about fantasies ......... BO's electoral college count was the fourth lowest victory in the last 10 presidential elections. :lamo

4th lowest in the last 10 elections makes it middle of the pack or average.....
 
The claims of "Statistically Signicant Voter Fraud is unfounded Political Propaganda. The number of gullible people buying this non-sense is all but laughable.

Where are the "verifiable facts" that support that voting fraud frequently occurs in such numbers that major election outcomes are consistently compromised to the extent that the fraudulent votes casts actually override the genuine vote count outcome?

Where is the proof? What mass hysteria non-sense.

I'm more convinced that ever that people will believe anything.
 
I'm all for it. Let's establish a national voting ID and make it compulsory. All Americans need to get one otherwise they can't vote. Let's see how many "TOO MUCH GOVERNMENT" Conservatives will start complaining 3 days after it is implemented.
 
Please don't tell us you think that somehow "voter fraud" threw the last election. Promise me you have some shame, some pride and some intelligence....

You might want to re-read what it says. It's not talking about the actual Presidential election, but about signatures that were needed for Obama and Clinton (when Clinton was a factor way back when) to get on the state ballot.

The alleged forgeries have raised the question whether the Obama campaign actually filed the necessary number of signatures, 500 from the county, to get on the state's primary ballot. The 534 signatures that were certified to place Obama's name in contention, were never challenged. 704 signatures were certified for Clinton, according to state elections officials. An estimated 150 of the signatures on both petitions may be fakes, leaving open the possibility that, in at least President Obama's case, the number of legal signatures that were required to get on the ballot was not reached.

Now I suppose that might have thrown the election. Don't really know. Was Indiana a swing state? Did he have to get on that ballot in order to run for presidency?
 
No, I usually just have to sign something that matches my voter registration signature. I carry my ID just in case, but I've never had to show it.

hmm interesting, Yeah I gotta sign to but they have always asked for ID.
 
Can someone give me some examples of important things in the US that don't require photo ID's? Social Security Benefits start out using photo id's, and even then we hear stories of people collecting long after they're dead because updates aren't made. Medicaid requires them. Hospital treatment (after initial emergency treatment) requires them - from the patient or whoever is with them. Driving. Purchase of alcohol, cigarettes, or porn. Joining the military. Selling real estate. I can't think of much that doesn't require a picture ID or the items that are required to obtain a picture ID (essentially the same). Meaning, to get a picture ID, I may need to show a birth certificate and SS Card, etc. so if I can show the birth certificate and SS Card, then I may not need to show a picture ID.

It amazes me that computers haven't made voter fraud impossible yet - I think someone must want to allow it to be possible.

Does it not seem rational that citizens our our great country should be able to prove that they are citizens? And, that others should be able to rely on that proof? It should be a right of our citizens to have an ID, and they should have a right to an expectation that others can't easily duplicate it.
 
from Greenville

Can someone give me some examples of important things in the US that don't require photo ID's? Social Security Benefits start out using photo id's, and even then we hear stories of people collecting long after they're dead because updates aren't made. Medicaid requires them. Hospital treatment (after initial emergency treatment) requires them - from the patient or whoever is with them. Driving. Purchase of alcohol, cigarettes, or porn. Joining the military. Selling real estate. I can't think of much that doesn't require a picture ID or the items that are required to obtain a picture ID (essentially the same). Meaning, to get a picture ID, I may need to show a birth certificate and SS Card, etc. so if I can show the birth certificate and SS Card, then I may not need to show a picture ID.

Your list is faulty and in error.

My wife recently applied for and started getting Social Security. At no time did she submit or was asked for a photo ID of any kind.

I recently was in the hospital for some tests and they never asked for a photo ID.

I buy adult beverages and I am never asked for a photo ID.
 
from Greenville



Your list is faulty and in error.

My wife recently applied for and started getting Social Security. At no time did she submit or was asked for a photo ID of any kind.

I recently was in the hospital for some tests and they never asked for a photo ID.

I buy adult beverages and I am never asked for a photo ID.

I believe you have said several times that You are 62 Iso its obvious to anyone you are well over 21. and social security fraud is rampant. maybe they ought to start asking for IDs
 
I believe you have said several times that You are 62 Iso its obvious to anyone you are well over 21. and social security fraud is rampant. maybe they ought to start asking for IDs

Which does nothing to negate my three corrections to the list from Greenville.

The hospital did not ask for photo ID.
Places which sell adult beverages have signs which state "WE CHECK ALL ID". They do not.
It matter not what you think Social Security should ask for, the fact is that they do not ask for photo ID.

Three strikes and Greenville is out.
 
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Which does nothing to negate my three corrections to the list from Greenville.

The hospital did not ask for photo ID.
Places which sell adult beverages have signs which state "WE CHECK ALL ID". They do not.
It matter not what you think Social Security should ask for, the fact is that they do not ask for photo ID.

Three strikes and Greenville is out.

I don't particularly care for baseball
 
I don't particularly care for baseball

Its the all American game Turtle. Baseball, hot dogs, apple pie and chevrolet. ;) Its much more American that say..... tennis.:lol:
 
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Surprise...
I'm in the 70%, very unusual.
But this is a coming thing...a better way of doing "security" work.
 
Its the all American game Turtle. Baseball, hot dogs, apple pie and chevrolet. ;) Its much more American that say..... tennis.:lol:

I find it boring. Tennis players are far better athletes and far fitter. Basketball is purely American as is volleyball, while Baseball was derived from Cricket.
 
Since another Presidential election is coming up, how about this topic again?

Should people have to show their photo ID in order to vote in US presidential elections? Why or why not?
Its simply a good idea, IMO.
Here in PA we use the drivers license and in York Haven at times we have more "people to help" than we have voters ! Some of these are "safety and security nazis", an unfortunate thing in our society of today...But, electronic voting is great....maybe a first step in having 100% of us voting.
I do hope that we have the quality of people to administer this voter ID system and not any extremists( security nazis)
 
Which does nothing to negate my three corrections to the list from Greenville.

The hospital did not ask for photo ID.
Places which sell adult beverages have signs which state "WE CHECK ALL ID". They do not.
It matter not what you think Social Security should ask for, the fact is that they do not ask for photo ID.

Three strikes and Greenville is out.

They all have the right to ask for a photo ID. I didn't mean to imply that everyone checks ID who can. Your wife had to have a photo id (or the docs I mentioned that would enable her to get a photo ID) in order to get her social security number and card which would allow her to collect social security (I said "Social Security Benefits start out using...). You probably gave your insurance info to the hospital, so they didn't care about the rest once the insurance was verified.
 
I find it boring. Tennis players are far better athletes and far fitter. Basketball is purely American as is volleyball, while Baseball was derived from Cricket.

Lots of things have part of their origins in other cultures and nations. That is nothing new. Basketball is suppose to go back to Mayan or Aztec culture.

I do understand your contention that baseball is boring. It is slow and you really have to understand the nuances of the game to appreciate the slower moments. I know you love tennis but truthfully I found that also boring. I do love badminton - as a playing sport - however. To each their own I guess. :)
 
You might want to re-read what it says. It's not talking about the actual Presidential election, but about signatures that were needed for Obama and Clinton (when Clinton was a factor way back when) to get on the state ballot.



Now I suppose that might have thrown the election. Don't really know. Was Indiana a swing state? Did he have to get on that ballot in order to run for presidency?

Are you suggesting that either candidate would have fallen short of being on the ballot without "fraudulent signatures"? I think that is even a less tenable position that suggesting the election outcome was effected.
 
I don't see the problem in requiring a photo ID to vote. I mean, people don't seem to make much of a fuss about having photo ID to have car insurance, either.
 
Are you suggesting that either candidate would have fallen short of being on the ballot without "fraudulent signatures"? I think that is even a less tenable position that suggesting the election outcome was effected.

That's not what the article says is it? It shows that both Clinton's and Obama's signatures had around 150 fraudulant signatures. Clinton's total signatures was over 700. Obama's total signatures was roughly 550. According to the article they each needed 500 signatures to get on the state ballot. So while Clinton had more than enough signatures to be over the 500 limit even after the 150 fradulant signatures were subtracted, Obama obviously did not have enough signatures after the 150 fraudulant signatures were subtracted.

I haven't suggested anything. I've just stated what the article said. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
I'm all for it. Let's establish a national voting ID and make it compulsory. All Americans need to get one otherwise they can't vote.

Well, why not? Make it obtainable at more than the DMV, like say the post office and/or the County Registrar when registering to vote and make it low or no cost. Sounds good to me.
 
Baseball has its "explosive macroseconds**".. as does tennis, in a way.
Neither are boring, but I can fall asleep while watching most anything...so I must recant the "boring".
I cannot fall asleep whist playing baseball**, or chess - one could say that chess is boring......lol
 
They all have the right to ask for a photo ID. I didn't mean to imply that everyone checks ID who can. Your wife had to have a photo id (or the docs I mentioned that would enable her to get a photo ID) in order to get her social security number and card which would allow her to collect social security (I said "Social Security Benefits start out using...). You probably gave your insurance info to the hospital, so they didn't care about the rest once the insurance was verified.

My wife had a social security card back in the late Fifties - no photo required. No photo required to go to the hospital either. You can buy liquor in my state without a photo ID as long as you can prove your are 21.

If I am registered to vote and they have my signature which matches when I sign in - why is that not enough?
 
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