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Photo ID to vote?

Photo ID to vote?


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The one's I posted that do not have them. The elderly that can barely afford medication...the working poor in urban areas. They don't always have cars. They don't always have money to go pay for a license to practice their right to vote.

so the states would have to foot the bill for those very few who can't afford a few bucks for an ID. To fail to do so could be construed as a "poll tax".

The cost could mount into tens or even hundreds of dollars.
 
I voted no, as the negative effect in disenfranchising voters is greater than any good from addressing a non-existent voter fraud problem.

No voting fraud? Google "ACORN" or read this article....

Indiana Democratic Party Head Resigns As Fraud Probe Heats Up | Fox News



The alleged forgeries have raised the question whether the Obama campaign actually filed the necessary number of signatures, 500 from the county, to get on the state's primary ballot. The 534 signatures that were certified to place Obama's name in contention, were never challenged. 704 signatures were certified for Clinton, according to state elections officials. An estimated 150 of the signatures on both petitions may be fakes, leaving open the possibility that, in at least President Obama's case, the number of legal signatures that were required to get on the ballot was not reached.
 
No it doesn't. You have to prove you have the right by showing that you are indeed the person exercising the right. The rest of the definition is irrelevant which is why I didn't mention it, if it was said that people had to have property or drive their own vehicle to the polling place or pay a poll tax you would have a point, since all of those have been struck down properly by constitutional amendment there is no discussion necessary. ID is not property, it is not your property rather it is a government issued identification that you pay for which is why it is a felony to use one for the purposes of misrepresentation.
There are a handful of cases with voting fruad. There are millions of Americans without the identification required that state laws are passing. You do the math. It comes across as a ridiculous bill that does nothing but either create some sort of hardship on some individuals or cause them not to vote...which is what Republicans want.
 
so the states would have to foot the bill for those very few who can't afford a few bucks for an ID. To fail to do so could be construed as a "poll tax".

The cost could mount into tens or even hundreds of dollars.

I would be fine with that. I mentioned earlier I would be fine with putting photos on voter registration cards. That is not what they are proposing.
 
They are supposed to be a representation of voters, fraudulent names are to be struck if found. This is not the only incident.

I'm sure it's not..petitions are only a barrier to prevent 40 amendments or 80 people from running on a ballot. They have no significance beyond that. Obama apparently was popular enough in Indiania to beat McCain.

I'm sorry...in no way does that make Obama "not legitimate" or whatever fantasy you Republicans have. He won one of the biggest presidential victories in in decades.
 
I'm sure it's not..petitions are only a barrier to prevent 40 amendments or 80 people from running on a ballot. They have no significance beyond that. Obama apparently was popular enough in Indiania to beat McCain.

I'm sorry...in no way does that make Obama "not legitimate" or whatever fantasy you Republicans have. He won one of the biggest presidential victories in in decades.
Where did I say anything about Obama here? The McCain thing, I'll say this: He wasn't as popular among conservatives as people would think and wasn't even all that impressive to moderates, the only reason most of us voted for him was to try to suffer a less bad president(not to put the right one in, didn't exist). I held my nose for McCain and I don't think there was all that much fraud resulting in an Obama win, there were plenty of suspect state and local elections the period before but I would say that the '08 elections were somewhat "clean". McCain sucked.

As to the petition argument, well, that isn't as serious but still counts. The problem I have is when "mickey mouse" and the family dog were registered or at least attemtped for a vote. There are many issues that need to be tightened up, and an ID solves at least some of it.
 
Where did I say anything about Obama here? The McCain thing, I'll say this: He wasn't as popular among conservatives as people would think and wasn't even all that impressive to moderates, the only reason most of us voted for him was to try to suffer a less bad president(not to put the right one in, didn't exist). I held my nose for McCain and I don't think there was all that much fraud resulting in an Obama win, there were plenty of suspect state and local elections the period before but I would say that the '08 elections were somewhat "clean". McCain sucked.

As to the petition argument, well, that isn't as serious but still counts. The problem I have is when "mickey mouse" and the family dog were registered or at least attemtped for a vote. There are many issues that need to be tightened up, and an ID solves at least some of it.

Sure it is a problem. I think I mentioned it in Grims thread...in all honesty I think the RNC and DNC have every incentive for these ridiculous tough requirements to get on a ballot...you pretty much need the money and organization of either party to get on ballots in all the states so I'm not entirely bothered by this or other petition "scandals".

As for the voter ID...it wouldn't of solved this. As for the "Micky Mouse" and dog names...those names were never registered they were denied.

I'll tell you what..if you can go and register a fake name and photocopy and post that fake registered name I'll conceed.
 
He won one of the biggest presidential victories in in decades.

Talk about fantasies ......... BO's electoral college count was the fourth lowest victory in the last 10 presidential elections. :lamo
 
Yea Yea...useless rhetoric from a conservative...I'm shocked.

At least I didn't lie like you did claiming BO's election was one of the biggest presidential victories in decades.

I also noticed you didn't make any effort to tell me how it isn't fraud for a name to be placed on a voting ballot based on forged signatures. How do you define fraud?
 
Who is being disenfranchised? Who, tell me whom? Tell who can't get an ID.
People like Obama would be disenfranchised. He doesn't have a valid birth certificate according to many and is not a citizen of the US. Ah, maybe you think this is the way it should be.
 
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I say yes. You need a photo ID to get a drivers license, board a plane, purchase alcohol....

Why shouldn't you have to show your ID when making the most important decisions for our country?

You have not provided one reason why voting requires a photo ID.
 
Sure it is a problem. I think I mentioned it in Grims thread...in all honesty I think the RNC and DNC have every incentive for these ridiculous tough requirements to get on a ballot...you pretty much need the money and organization of either party to get on ballots in all the states so I'm not entirely bothered by this or other petition "scandals".
Actually, they have more incentive to have people willing to commit fraud or keep uninformed voters on the rolls, more easily pliable. If you wanted to argue on behalf of fracturing voting blocks that tend to support a particular party I would agree.

As for the voter ID...it wouldn't of solved this. As for the "Micky Mouse" and dog names...those names were never registered they were denied.
Some were, some made it through. But even with the laughably obvious stuff many dead people weren't stricken from the rosters either even more morbid is the re-registering of dead people to vote. An ID would diminish that.
I'll tell you what..if you can go and register a fake name and photocopy and post that fake registered name I'll conceed.
Now you know I'm not going to commit voter fraud or attempt it to make a point.
 
so the states would have to foot the bill for those very few who can't afford a few bucks for an ID. To fail to do so could be construed as a "poll tax".

The costs could mount into tens or even hundreds of dollars.



cute.....;)
 
I would say publishing ballots based on forged petitions is a fraud. I am not a liberal so I think the rules matter.

It's pretty well documented over the years that conservatives have no problem breaking the rules when it suits them. See Richard Nixon.
 
It's pretty well documented over the years that conservatives have no problem breaking the rules when it suits them. See Richard Nixon.
Yeah, I find it pretty funny how many people are calling voter fraud a "liberal" thing. Really now? Cheaters cheat and they're in all parties.
 
It's pretty well documented over the years that conservatives have no problem breaking the rules when it suits them. See Richard Nixon.


Nor the Democrats. (see Chicago)


Catch up....
 
I don't even know why I bother with you.
After reading your posts, I don't even know why you bother to post.

Okay, since you didn't make the connection between what happened without a photo ID at the time I'll try once more to make things a little easier. If someone buses in "community organizers" with fake names and socials it is a consensual version of the same practice a "hollow vote" if you will, and yes, it does happen.
How, when, and where did this happen?

Bonus question: Couldn't they just make fake photo ID's for these communists you are worried about?
 
No voting fraud? Google "ACORN" or read this article....
Your article is not about voting fraud.

It is highly unlikely you will be able to produce any articles about voting fraud involving ACORN... well, not articles about actual court cases (I'm sure there is all kinds of speculation and propaganda out there in the blogosphere, such as that you produced in your prior link).
 
I would say publishing ballots based on forged petitions is a fraud. I am not a liberal so I think the rules matter.
Say whatever you want. You have no court ruling on a forged petition, so all you have is a hypothetical. Maybe, but, if, coulda, woulda, shoulda.... sums your argument up nicely :roll:
 
[....] I also noticed you didn't make any effort to tell me how it isn't fraud for a name to be placed on a voting ballot based on forged signatures. How do you define fraud?
There is no fraud. There are allegations of fraud. Let us know:

1) If the allegations are proven, then

2) If it would have made any difference (considering the minimum number of signatures needed).

Until then, you are still arguing a hypothetical.
 
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