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Photo ID to vote?

Photo ID to vote?

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Josie said:
Everyone should have a photo ID. It's just a basic action that really doesn't require any hard work.
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"Imagine if everyone in Manhattan, Queens and the Bronx suddenly lost the right to vote.

That's about the number of people — 5 million and counting — affected by changes already adopted or currently pending in state legislatures around the country. When all is said and done, millions more could lose the right to vote."

Voting Rights | American Civil Liberties Union » Blog of Rights: Official Blog of the American Civil Liberties Union
 
Josie said:
Since another Presidential election is coming up, how about this topic again?

Should people have to show their photo ID in order to vote in US presidential elections? Why or why not?
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That's fine, but good luck getting all 50 states to pass that. Last I checked, the States did election law, not the feds.

I don't have any problem with requiring a photo ID to vote, as long as a law requiring that also makes a photo ID easier to get. It's not like it's that hard, but if you're going to make a person's right to vote contingent on it, it should be extremely easy to get.

While I don't think it's too much to ask for an ID, I am suspicious of most of those advocating it. It's usually true that when voter turnout is suppressed, that's good for the Republican party. I wonder if the real reason it's a cause celebre on the right these days has anything to do with that....actually I don't. It's all about winning, not what's right or fair. The converse position is true for the Democrats (high turnout is good for their electoral math), so their reasons for opposing it have mostly to do with that.
 
rocket88 said:
That's fine, but good luck getting all 50 states to pass that. Last I checked, the States did election law, not the feds.

I don't have any problem with requiring a photo ID to vote, as long as a law requiring that also makes a photo ID easier to get. It's not like it's that hard, but if you're going to make a person's right to vote contingent on it, it should be extremely easy to get.

While I don't think it's too much to ask for an ID, I am suspicious of most of those advocating it. It's usually true that when voter turnout is suppressed, that's good for the Republican party. I wonder if the real reason it's a cause celebre on the right these days has anything to do with that....actually I don't. It's all about winning, not what's right or fair. The converse position is true for the Democrats (high turnout is good for their electoral math), so their reasons for opposing it have mostly to do with that.
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spot on brotha
 
Awwwwh, America! Nothing like the legal right to discriminate.
 
TurtleDude said:
that reason being you want people so incompetent they cannot get an ID voting?
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Oh, I don't care if people are required to have IDs, so long as the state ensures that people get them. My point is that your attempt to tell people what they think is stupid and desperate.
 
theplaydrive said:
I love when people put this in their posts after sharing an opinion, not a fact. "Anybody who doesn't agree with my baseless opinion is full of **** even if you really don't believe what I just told you you do." It's a weak tactic. There are certainly more reasons to oppose it.
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Baseless opinion? I guess you missed all the articles posted below his comments? Baseless my ass.
 
Blackdog said:
Baseless opinion? I guess you missed all the articles posted below his comments? Baseless my ass.
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The incidents of vote fraud are well documented as are the NUMEROUS incidents of people forging voter registration. Bottom line is hey LOVE the cheating because it is their side doing it. Totally rediculous. We can expect any joe schmuck to show an ID card to buy a pack of smokes but omigish! It's not fair to make them show an ID to cast a ballot. Sorry...no other way to paint it....LOVES that voter fraud!!!
 
Very simple. Cut down on as much election fraud as possible so ****ing A people should be REQUIRED to show ID, anyone who asserts that voting is honest enough that the ID thing is simply a disenfranchisement tactic is naive at best and dishonest at worst. I see that someone posted where a punishment for voter fraud was a year, a YEAR, are you ****ing kidding me?! If anything committing voter fraud should net a minimum of 20 years and a maximum of hung on the courthouse lawn and left out for a week to set an example to others.
 
Blackdog said:
Baseless opinion? I guess you missed all the articles posted below his comments? Baseless my ass.
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The voter fraud problem in the US is greatly exaggerated and it will just end up being transferred to fake IDs under these conditions. Yeah, baseless or specious, more precisely.
 
If they require it, it should be free to get a state ID card. Drivers license IDs are fine to require fees for, but the poor who maybe don't drive and just need an ID should be able to get one for free. Otherwise requiring an ID to vote amounts to a poll tax.
 
theplaydrive said:
The voter fraud problem in the US is greatly exaggerated and it will just end up being transferred to fake IDs under these conditions. Yeah, baseless or specious, more precisely.
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Bull ****. There are very well documented cases of bi-partisan voter fraud. I can tell you Mary Landrieu was accused of busing, there are numerous gerimandering accusations out right now, and there have been outright politicking frauds committed at polling places. If anything the problem is underreported.
 
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theplaydrive said:
The voter fraud problem in the US is greatly exaggerated and it will just end up being transferred to fake IDs under these conditions. Yeah, baseless or specious, more precisely.
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Yea right. I grew up in Chicago and saw it for years with my own eyes. I can honestly say, bull****.

You can ignore the thousands of reports on voter fraud from around the country, but in the end your comment is the one that is baseless.
 
Luna Tick said:
If they require it, it should be free to get a state ID card. Drivers license IDs are fine to require fees for, but the poor who maybe don't drive and just need an ID should be able to get one for free. Otherwise requiring an ID to vote amounts to a poll tax.
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The "poor" need id to get food stamps and any other kind of state or Federal aid. They don't seem to have a problem getting id's to collect free money?
 
Josie said:
Since another Presidential election is coming up, how about this topic again?

Should people have to show their photo ID in order to vote in US presidential elections? Why or why not?
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Seeing how votes are anonymous and therefore no way of verifying who voted for who there is no way to tell if voter fraud has or has not happened.So we should do everything we can to verify that the person who is voting is who they say they are.So we should show a photo ID when voting.
 
Catawba said:
I voted no, as the negative effect in disenfranchising voters is greater than any good from addressing a non-existent voter fraud problem.
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Anyone that doesn't possess a picture ID probably isn't registered to vote, anyway.
 
Blackdog said:
Yea right. I grew up in Chicago and saw it for years with my own eyes. I can honestly say, bull****.

You can ignore the thousands of reports on voter fraud from around the country, but in the end your comment is the one that is baseless.
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That's great. Thousands of cases that accuse people of voter fraud are thrown out every year. The problem is exaggerated and the problem that does exist will just be transferred to fake IDs (it's funny how you ignored that inconvenient part of my post).

As I said in my first post in this thread, if you want to require IDs, go ahead, but you sure as hell better make sure that people who don't have them get them.
 
I'd say the Photo ID would be an attempt to create a new version of "de jure segregation laws".
 
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rocket88 said:
That's fine, but good luck getting all 50 states to pass that. Last I checked, the States did election law, not the feds.

I don't have any problem with requiring a photo ID to vote, as long as a law requiring that also makes a photo ID easier to get. It's not like it's that hard, but if you're going to make a person's right to vote contingent on it, it should be extremely easy to get.
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How hard is it to get a photo ID?You walk into the tag agency with your birth certificate and SS card maybe even a utility bill for proof of address,fill out a form, pay 10-15 dollars and you got an ID card.
 
theplaydrive said:
That's great. Thousands of cases that accuse people of voter fraud are thrown out every year.
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And many are not, so what? Many cases of murder, assault and robbery are thrown out, so we should just not enforce laws because some are thrown out?

theplaydrive said:
The problem is exaggerated and the problem that does exist will just be transferred to fake IDs (it's funny how you ignored that inconvenient part of my post).
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Fake id's are much harder to produce now days, and usually by professionals. I don't see mass production of fake id's for voter fraud happening anytime soon. So yes I ignored it because it is baseless and a really dumb argument.

theplaydrive said:
As I said in my first post in this thread, if you want to require IDs, go ahead, but you sure as hell better make sure that people who don't have them get them.
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If they seem to have no problem getting them to get food stamps etc. I see no problem.
 
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jamesrage said:
Seeing how votes are anonymous and therefore no way of verifying who voted for who there is no way to tell if voter fraud has or has not happened.So we should do everything we can to verify that the person who is voting is who they say they are.So we should show a photo ID when voting.
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If the idea is to prevent non-citizens from voting, there's a problem. A legal resident (and in some states an illegal one) who's not a citizen can get a drivers license. He could then register and vote. Do you think we should put some kind of icon on all drivers licenses and state IDs that indicates whether or not someone is a citizen?

I'm fine with a person from another country legally residing here getting a drivers license. In fact, I think that's safer. I just don't think a non-citizen has any business voting.
 
jamesrage said:
How hard is it to get a photo ID?You walk into the tag agency with your birth certificate and SS card maybe even a utility bill for proof of address,fill out a form, pay 10-15 dollars and you got an ID card.
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Hell, might as well apply for a passport at the same time.
 
Luna Tick said:
If the idea is to prevent non-citizens from voting, there's a problem. A legal resident (and in some states an illegal one) who's not a citizen can get a drivers license. He could then register and vote. Do you think we should put some kind of icon on all drivers licenses and state IDs that indicates whether or not someone is a citizen?

I'm fine with a person from another country legally residing here getting a drivers license. In fact, I think that's safer. I just don't think a non-citizen has any business voting.
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So it would change nothing as far as illegals. I mean they can register now, so what difference would it make?

It would be to cut down on dead people voting, animals voting etc. Illegals are a separate matter.
 
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Removable Mind said:
Wow TD, you didn't waste anytime moving somewhere far away from the topic of Photo ID's. Good, boy.
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By your logic showing a ID is discrimination.So therefore requiring someone to show ID to purchase a firearm is discrimination in your eyes.
 
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