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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Actually Back in 2006 the Republicans passed a similar law that was overturned by the Supreme Court. The court found it un-constitutional to require photo IDs to vote. The cost of obtaining document is just too much money for some and an unnecessary burden.
    You mean this one...

    The state Supreme Court threw out a challenge to the state’s voter identification law, but sidestepped a decision on the law’s validity when it ruled that the plaintiff did not have legal standing to challenge it. The court’s unanimous opinion reversed a decision made in September by Judge T. Jackson Bedford of the Fulton County Superior Court, who ruled that the voter identification law was unconstitutional and an undue burden on voters. After that ruling, the State Election Board decided not to require voters to show a photo ID to cast a ballot in the November elections. A federal challenge to the law is pending. - Georgia: Court Rejects Challenge to Voter ID Law - New York Times

    Now again I ask if they can get ID to buy cigarettes, alcohol and get local, state and federal aid, what is the problem with ID's to vote?

    On a side note...

    The Indiana Supreme Court said Wednesday that the photo ID requirement was not a "substantive voter qualification."It cited the U.S. Supreme Court's 2008 ruling in a federal court challenge by the state Democratic Party to the Indiana law that said a photo ID is required to enter federal buildings and board planes and voting was equally important."The voter ID law's requirement that an in-person voter present a government-issued photo identification card containing an expiration date is merely regulatory in nature," Dickson wrote. - Supreme Court Upholds Indiana Voter ID Law - Indiana News Story - WRTV Indianapolis
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Absolutely, you should be required to prove you're a legal U.S. citizen in order to vote.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    I'm still scratching my head on this thread.

    And I would have considered voter registration as a harder thing to go through than a damn photo ID.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Then it should be easier to catch more of them correct? First off, voter fraud is a felony as well as presenting a fake ID and then if the ID was based on an actual person then that is an additional identity theft charge so basically we wouldn't have to worry about that person doing it again for around 25 years.
    Without the ID requirement, the person is still committing two felonies, if not more, so I don't see your point.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Since another Presidential election is coming up, how about this topic again?

    Should people have to show their photo ID in order to vote in US presidential elections? Why or why not?
    No...no one should be limited to vote by not having a certin form of identification.

    I'd support photo ID if it was incorporated with the registration process and provided.

    Edit: I would like to point out....they have voter registration information at the polling place...why exactly couldn't they print out pictures as well?
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Some will no doubt start using fake ID's. But how many? All of them? Or just the ones that can afford it? Getting 1 fake ID is not cheap...getting thousands? Hmm....
    In 2002, the Bush administration made cracking down on voter fraud a top priority. Five years later, the effort had yielded 86 convictions. About 30 convictions were linked to vote-buying schemes in races for small offices like sheriff or judge. Only 26 were attributable to individual voters, and most of those were misunderstandings about voter eligibility, such as felons who voted without knowing it was illegal. The prosecutions provided little evidence of organized fraud.

    A 2007 study by the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University reached a similar conclusion. The vast majority of "fraud" cases, it found, were due to typographical errors in poll books and registration records, bad matches between voter databases (for example, you could be listed as John Smith in one database and John T. Smith in another), and voters registering at new addresses without deleting old registrations. Much of the alleged "voter fraud," it turns out, is just poorly filled out registration cards.

    Why would anyone commit voter fraud? - Slate Magazine
    So most "voter fraud" is a mistake and there were less than 26 people over 5 years who committed organized voter fraud in federal elections. I'm just going to assume that those who are willing to go to lengths of committing such fraud are willing to pay the $100 and even if they aren't the problem is so ridiculously small that I don't care.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    So most "voter fraud" is a mistake and there were less than 26 people over 5 years who committed organized voter fraud in federal elections. I'm just going to assume that those who are willing to go to lengths of committing such fraud are willing to pay the $100 and even if they aren't the problem is so ridiculously small that I don't care.
    The rubes buy the idea that these laws are to actually stop some form of fraud...the one's making the laws know they are playing a numbers game to disenfranchise those that vote for the other party.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Wow TD, you didn't waste anytime moving somewhere far away from the topic of Photo ID's. Good, boy.
    I guess the ability to comprehend that if its wrong to demand a photo ID to exercise one right its equally wrong to demand one to exercise another constitutional right is difficult for some

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I voted no, as the negative effect in disenfranchising voters is greater than any good from addressing a non-existent voter fraud problem.
    I have to show a photo ID in Virginia where I live, and I don't see anything wrong with it, what with all the dead people clamoring to vote in recent Presidential elections, not to mention all those illegal aliens being registered to vote by Acorn activists.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    "Last night on the O’Reilly Factor, Occidental College political science Prof. Caroline Heldman endeavored to relieve host Bill O’Reilly of his dogged belief that the infinitesimal rate of voter fraud warrants disenfranchising 5 million people. “You’re harboring the misconception that’s you have lots of people trying to vote [fraudulently]. You face five years in prison and a $10,000 fine if you engage in voter fraud, that’s why almost nobody does it.” Heldman noted that the voter ID bills that are popping up around the country aren’t in response to an actual problem but actually created by the American Legislative Exchange Commission (ALEC) which has written, printed, and pushed an identical voter ID bill in several different states. In fact, “every single one of the five states that recently passed Voter ID legislation had [ALEC] members as co-sponsors of the legislation.” O’Reilly responded, “I’ve never heard of that,” later adding “it doesn’t matter if its common sense.”

    It’s anti-democratic, it’s going to demobilize 5 million legally registered voters,” Heldman tried again, citing the Brennan Center, ThinkProgress, and the ACLU’s research. “ThinkProgress, that’s a far left outfit,” O’Reilly said. “I don’t believe that for a second.” To which Heldman replied, “They’re crunching numbers, Bill. Numbers are numbers.”

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    And i posted factual cases of voter fraud with real live people found and convicted. It is real, it happens, and all you care about is hey...as long as its OUR guys committing the fruad (which shockingly enough ALWAYS seems to be the case).

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