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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    I'm honestly okay with requiring an ID to vote as long as it's free for a poor person to get an ID (a state ID, not necessarily a drivers license). Some people are homeless and are so dirt poor that even what's a modest fee to most of us to apply for an ID is a burden. A citizen who's penniless and homeless is still a citizen and still should get to vote.

    I agree with you that dead people, animals, comic book characters, etc. should not vote. Non-citizens should not either. There could be a standard citizenship emblem on all drivers licenses. Maybe it's a gold-colored eagle. A non-citizen legal resident would get a different emblem on their license, something respectful, but way different from the citizenship one. Think it could work?
    Just how many homeless people are going to take the time to register and vote? I don't know about you but I've never seen a homeless person even attempt to vote.

    Edit: One more thing...last I knew in order to vote in an area you have to show proof of residence at the time that you get your voter registration. So it looks like the homeless already miss out.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    The incidents of vote fraud are well documented as are the NUMEROUS incidents of people forging voter registration. Bottom line is hey LOVE the cheating because it is their side doing it. Totally rediculous. We can expect any joe schmuck to show an ID card to buy a pack of smokes but omigish! It's not fair to make them show an ID to cast a ballot. Sorry...no other way to paint it....LOVES that voter fraud!!!
    "Last night on the O’Reilly Factor, Occidental College political science Prof. Caroline Heldman endeavored to relieve host Bill O’Reilly of his dogged belief that the infinitesimal rate of voter fraud warrants disenfranchising 5 million people. “You’re harboring the misconception that’s you have lots of people trying to vote [fraudulently]. You face five years in prison and a $10,000 fine if you engage in voter fraud, that’s why almost nobody does it.” Heldman noted that the voter ID bills that are popping up around the country aren’t in response to an actual problem but actually created by the American Legislative Exchange Commission (ALEC) which has written, printed, and pushed an identical voter ID bill in several different states. In fact, “every single one of the five states that recently passed Voter ID legislation had [ALEC] members as co-sponsors of the legislation.” O’Reilly responded, “I’ve never heard of that,” later adding “it doesn’t matter if its common sense.”

    It’s anti-democratic, it’s going to demobilize 5 million legally registered voters,” Heldman tried again, citing the Brennan Center, ThinkProgress, and the ACLU’s research. “ThinkProgress, that’s a far left outfit,” O’Reilly said. “I don’t believe that for a second.” To which Heldman replied, “They’re crunching numbers, Bill. Numbers are numbers.”

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Interestingly enough it is harder to get a fake ID and more costly to get one than it is to go to the DMV and get a real ID card. Last I knew in my area it cost something like 15-20 dollars to get an ID card. I read somewhere that it costs around $100 dollars just for a fake drivers license....once you find someone willing to do it....which do you think is more likely to happen?

    Not saying that there won't be fake ID's used....illegals pay for em all the time.
    Which do I think is more likely? Well, it's not a question of either/or in this case really. It's a question of fraud and those who commit fraud aren't going to apply for an actual ID because for some reason registering to vote is a problem for them.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Which do I think is more likely? Well, it's not a question of either/or in this case really. It's a question of fraud and those who commit fraud aren't going to apply for an actual ID because for some reason registering to vote is a problem for them.
    Then it should be easier to catch more of them correct? First off, voter fraud is a felony as well as presenting a fake ID and then if the ID was based on an actual person then that is an additional identity theft charge so basically we wouldn't have to worry about that person doing it again for around 25 years.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Which do I think is more likely? Well, it's not a question of either/or in this case really. It's a question of fraud and those who commit fraud aren't going to apply for an actual ID because for some reason registering to vote is a problem for them.
    Some will no doubt start using fake ID's. But how many? All of them? Or just the ones that can afford it? Getting 1 fake ID is not cheap...getting thousands? Hmm....
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    While the intention is to prevent fraud and that is worthy ... it is unconstitutional to require a photo ID.

    Our constitution protects our citizens right to vote. Requiring an ID puts a burden on the elderly, those in poverty and the disabled.


    I vote no.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    While the intention is to prevent fraud and that is worthy ... it is unconstitutional to require a photo ID.
    Actually no, it's not.

    "The Constitution contains many phrases, clauses, and amendments detailing ways people cannot be denied the right to vote. You cannot deny the right to vote because of race or gender. Citizens of Washington DC can vote for President; 18-year-olds can vote; you can vote even if you fail to pay a poll tax. The Constitution also requires that anyone who can vote for the "most numerous branch" of their state legislature can vote for House members and Senate members.

    Note that in all of this, though, the Constitution never explicitly ensures the right to vote, as it does the right to speech, for example. It does require that Representatives be chosen and Senators be elected by "the People," and who comprises "the People" has been expanded by the aforementioned amendments several times. Aside from these requirements, though, the qualifications for voters are left to the states. And as long as the qualifications do not conflict with anything in the Constitution, that right can be withheld. For example, in Texas, persons declared mentally incompetent and felons currently in prison or on probation are denied the right to vote. It is interesting to note that though the 26th Amendment requires that 18-year-olds must be able to vote, states can allow persons younger than 18 to vote, if they chose to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Our constitution protects our citizens right to vote. Requiring an ID puts a burden on the elderly, those in poverty and the disabled.
    So far not one person has posted anything credible to say this would be a burden.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Actually no, it's not.

    "The Constitution contains many phrases, clauses, and amendments detailing ways people cannot be denied the right to vote. You cannot deny the right to vote because of race or gender. Citizens of Washington DC can vote for President; 18-year-olds can vote; you can vote even if you fail to pay a poll tax. The Constitution also requires that anyone who can vote for the "most numerous branch" of their state legislature can vote for House members and Senate members.

    Note that in all of this, though, the Constitution never explicitly ensures the right to vote, as it does the right to speech, for example. It does require that Representatives be chosen and Senators be elected by "the People," and who comprises "the People" has been expanded by the aforementioned amendments several times. Aside from these requirements, though, the qualifications for voters are left to the states. And as long as the qualifications do not conflict with anything in the Constitution, that right can be withheld. For example, in Texas, persons declared mentally incompetent and felons currently in prison or on probation are denied the right to vote. It is interesting to note that though the 26th Amendment requires that 18-year-olds must be able to vote, states can allow persons younger than 18 to vote, if they chose to.
    " - Things That Are Not In the U.S. Constitution - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net



    So far not one person has posted anything credible to say this would be a burden.
    Actually Back in 2006 the Republicans passed a similar law that was overturned by the Supreme Court. The court found it un-constitutional to require photo IDs to vote. The cost of obtaining document is just too much money for some and an unnecessary burden.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Actually Back in 2006 the Republicans passed a similar law that was overturned by the Supreme Court. The court found it un-constitutional to require photo IDs to vote. The cost of obtaining document is just too much money for some and an unnecessary burden.
    Link please?
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Just how many homeless people are going to take the time to register and vote? I don't know about you but I've never seen a homeless person even attempt to vote.

    Edit: One more thing...last I knew in order to vote in an area you have to show proof of residence at the time that you get your voter registration. So it looks like the homeless already miss out.

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    A homeless person is allowed to use a shelter's address to register to vote.

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