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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Typical liberal/progressive worse case scenarios.

    #1 Indiana has one of the strictest laws. It was found to be Constitutional by the Supreme court of the United States.

    #2 in 2008 all states that had ID laws showed negligible affects on voter turnout.

    #3 The worst case scenarios's have all been found unconstitutional or had the courts stop the law during litigation. So the system IS working.

    Take the typical partisan overreaction with worst case scenario's and disfranchisement language someplace else.

    Maybe next time have some evidence to support your claim.


    You seem to have missed this part of Teamosil's post, "You're blurring together all ID laws into one bucket,"

    The topic of this thead is photo ID's, not ID's in general. As previously documented, The Brennan Center has determined the photo IDs may disenfranchise 5 million voters.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    in 2008 all states that had ID laws showed negligible affects on voter turnout.
    Source please. Saying that the effect was negligible in all states. The only source I'm aware of that found only a negligible effect was about Georgia where all they required was any valid ID.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Because Democrats love giving away free stuff, but you knew that.
    The illegals I've known were pretty tight fisted, and didn't have anything to give away anyway.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You seem to have missed this part of Teamosil's post, "You're blurring together all ID laws into one bucket,"
    And you seem to have missed where I said....

    #3 The worst case scenarios's have all been found unconstitutional or had the courts stop the law during litigation. So the system IS working. - Blackdog

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The topic of this thead is photo ID's, not ID's in general. As previously documented, The Brennan Center has determined the photo IDs may disenfranchise 5 million voters.
    The Brennan center data or "guess" is outdated by recent accounts in the 2008 elections that don't have to "guess" at voter turn out because they have actual statistics.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Source please. Saying that the effect was negligible in all states. The only source I'm aware of that found only a negligible effect was about Georgia where all they required was any valid ID.
    2008 election turn out rates...

    United States Elections Project

    No difference between Alabama, Colorado, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Indiana, New Mexico, Washington, Georgia, Ohio, Georgia, Missouri and New Mexico and the US average voter turnout.

    The US average was 56.9% over all states. Most if not all ID states had higher rates of turnout than the average including Indiana and Alabama.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    And you seem to have missed where I said....

    #3 The worst case scenarios's have all been found unconstitutional or had the courts stop the law during litigation. So the system IS working. - Blackdog
    You have a link that explains what the hell you are trying to say there?


    The Brennan center data or "guess" is outdated by recent accounts in the 2008 elections that don't have to "guess" at voter turn out because they have actual statistics.

    I'm gonna need a link too that show how the 2011 Brennan Report is outdated by the 2008 election accounts. Only two states had photo ID requirements before 2011.

    34 states have since introduced legislation for photo IDs.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You have a link that explains what the hell you are trying to say there?
    Don't need one, you often ignore what you don't want to admit to being wrong on.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I'm gonna need a link too that show how the 2011 Brennan Report is outdated by the 2008 election accounts. Only two states had photo ID requirements before 2011.

    34 states have since introduced legislation for photo IDs.
    I have already posted many in this thread you ignored and never replied to, but hell look at the post above this one #785.

    Read em' and weep.

    PS: Utah, Idaho, Oklahoma, Kansas, Rhode Island, Wisconsin. South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas tightened existing voter ID laws to require photo ID.

    That is a far cry from 34.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Don't need one, you often ignore what you don't want to admit to being wrong on.



    I have already posted many in this thread you ignored and never replied to, but hell look at the post above this one.

    Read em' and weep.
    Read what and weep? Results of something 3 years before it was required???? LOL!
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    2008 election turn out rates...

    United States Elections Project

    No difference between Alabama, Colorado, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Indiana, New Mexico, Washington, Georgia, Ohio, Georgia, Missouri and New Mexico and the US average voter turnout.

    The US average was 56.9% over all states. Most if not all ID states had higher rates of turnout than the average including Indiana and Alabama.
    That isn't really a very systematic analysis. Indiana required a photo ID issued by the state, but not that it have your current address. So it's like half as bad, or maybe less, than the ones that are being proposed now that require your current address. Current address is really the biggest gotcha. So, maybe we'd expect something like 4% of people being disenfranchised? Not sure how you could definitively say whether such an effect happened or not just looking at the overall percentage and comparing states. States range from 49% turnout to 71% turnout... Who can say where Indiana would have been without the law.

    You need a proper study. One that controls different variables, looks at turnout between groups that are more likely to have already had an ID that meets their requirements vs groups that don't, etc. You can't really draw any conclusions based on this except that it didn't like reduce turnout by 20% or something, but nobody is claiming it would.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Read what and weep? Results of something 3 years before it was required???? LOL!
    Note that these data provide preliminary estimates of the turnout and voting-eligible population for the November, 2008 election. These statistics are updated continually as new data become available. Most recently, they have been updated for July 1, 2009 voting-age population estimates. - United States Elections Project

    Keep shucking and jiving, it's OK, lol.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
    Quote Originally Posted by Absentglare View Post
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