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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    I've seen no evidence that voter fraud is not rampant. The stuff I've seen indicates that it is widespread. I live in Ohio, a swing state. In 2004, 2006, and 2008 people were going door to door offering crack cocaine for completed voter registration forms in my neighborhood.

    Do you think they are just doing that for fun? Did they just have more coke than they knew what to do with?

    Or do you think that maybee...just maaaabeee...there might have been some voter fraud going on?

    It has been well documented and was referenced just a few pages back on this very thread that individual voter fraud is "extraordinarily rare.”:

    "Indeed, despite the Department of Justice’s 2002 “Ballot Access and Voting Integrity Initiative” promising to vigorously prosecute allegations of voter fraud, the federal government obtained only 26 convictions or guilty pleas for fraud between 2002 and 2005. And other studies of voter fraud consistently find that it is exceedingly rare – a 2007 Demos study concluded that “voter fraud appears to be very rare” and a 2007 study by the Brennan Center found that “by any measure, voter fraud is extraordinarily rare.”
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It has been well documented and was referenced just a few pages back on this very thread that individual voter fraud is "extraordinarily rare.”:

    "Indeed, despite the Department of Justice’s 2002 “Ballot Access and Voting Integrity Initiative” promising to vigorously prosecute allegations of voter fraud, the federal government obtained only 26 convictions or guilty pleas for fraud between 2002 and 2005. And other studies of voter fraud consistently find that it is exceedingly rare – a 2007 Demos study concluded that “voter fraud appears to be very rare” and a 2007 study by the Brennan Center found that “by any measure, voter fraud is extraordinarily rare.”
    I'll bet you'd sneak in an illegal immigrant to vote Democrat, that's probably why you think IDs should be required.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I'll bet you'd sneak in an illegal immigrant to vote Democrat, that's probably why you think IDs should be required.
    What makes you think that illegals would vote Democrat? It was a Republican president, after all, who signed amnesty into law.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    What makes you think that illegals would vote Democrat? It was a Republican president, after all, who signed amnesty into law.
    Because Democrats love giving away free stuff, but you knew that.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I'll bet you'd sneak in an illegal immigrant to vote Democrat, that's probably why you think IDs should be required.
    "As of September 12, 2011, the Obama Administration had deported roughly 1.06 million in just 2.5 years, putting him in a good position to deport more than President Bush did in his four year term, which was 1.57 million illegal immigrants."
    Obama Has Deported More Illegal Immigrants Than President Bush Says Miami Immigration Lawyer - Law Firm Newswire

    What else you got?
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    As it has already been shown in states that have ID laws, it's affect was negligible in the elections from 2008 on, period.
    You're blurring together all ID laws into one bucket, but they vary dramatically. The ones that have had a minor effect have been ones that only require a valid ID. The ones that threaten to radically rig elections are the new ones in some states that would not allow valid IDs that are issued by other states, that are issued by the federal government, that have an old address, etc. Only about 1% of people lack a valid ID, but 10% of people lack an ID that meets those requirements. So we can expect that the number of people disenfranchised by the newer ID laws with all those extra requirements will be about 10 times as severe.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    "As of September 12, 2011, the Obama Administration had deported roughly 1.06 million in just 2.5 years, putting him in a good position to deport more than President Bush did in his four year term, which was 1.57 million illegal immigrants."
    Obama Has Deported More Illegal Immigrants Than President Bush Says Miami Immigration Lawyer - Law Firm Newswire

    What else you got?
    But oddly enough the article in you linked goes on to say:

    “Enough is enough,” commented Rifkin. “When does the talking stop and the action start? When does the problem of a failed immigration system actually get addressed?

    It WAS an attack piece on BHO.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    But oddly enough the article in you linked goes on to say:

    “Enough is enough,” commented Rifkin. “When does the talking stop and the action start? When does the problem of a failed immigration system actually get addressed?

    It WAS an attack piece on BHO.
    It was an attack piece on our immigration system, though it noted that Obama is on a better track than Bush for deporting illegals.

    This has nothing to do with the topic however because we don't have any statistics that show that individual voter fraud by illegals is being carried out for a lack of photo ID requirement.

    Its what is called a strawman.

    Got anything relevant to the topic?
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It was an attack piece on our immigration system, though it noted that Obama is on a better track than Bush for deporting illegals.
    Work on your reading comprehension. He was attacking BHO on his campaign rhetoric and not following through…but whatever.

    This has nothing to do with the topic however because we don't have any statistics that show that individual voter fraud by illegals is being carried out for a lack of photo ID requirement.
    Its what is called a strawman.
    I agree…so why did YOU bring it up?

    Got anything relevant to the topic?
    Yeah, go back about 700 posts.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    You're blurring together all ID laws into one bucket, but they vary dramatically.The ones that have had a minor effect have been ones that only require a valid ID. The ones that threaten to radically rig elections are the new ones in some states that would not allow valid IDs that are issued by other states, that are issued by the federal government, that have an old address, etc. Only about 1% of people lack a valid ID, but 10% of people lack an ID that meets those requirements. So we can expect that the number of people disenfranchised by the newer ID laws with all those extra requirements will be about 10 times as severe.
    Typical liberal/progressive worse case scenarios.

    #1 Indiana has one of the strictest laws. It was found to be Constitutional by the Supreme court of the United States.

    #2 in 2008 all states that had ID laws showed negligible affects on voter turnout.

    #3 The worst case scenarios's have all been found unconstitutional or had the courts stop the law during litigation. So the system IS working.

    Take the typical partisan overreaction with worst case scenario's and disfranchisement language someplace else.

    Maybe next time have some evidence to support your claim.
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