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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Elitism anyone?
    Call it elitism if you want, but most of us are the "elite" by that definition.

    who was it that made the famous saying about people who expect to be both ignorant and free, want what never was and never could be?

    Whoever it was was right.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Hmm.

    "Disfranchisement (also called disenfranchisement) is the revocation of the right of suffrage (the right to vote) of a person or group of people, or rendering a person's vote less effective, or ineffective. Disfranchisement may occur explicitly through law, or implicitly by intimidation or by placing unreasonable registration or identification impediments in the path of voters."

    Are you arguing that it is unreasonable for the state to insist on proof that you are who you say you are? If the requirement is uniform and if everybody else can meet it in the normal course of living their lives why would you consider it disenfranchisement? It seems that the threat to democracy is your insistence that those who are too lazy, too stupid or too illegal to get a state issued photo ID should be allowed to vote. If they cannot meet this reasonable requirement of a representative republic perhaps it is better that they don't vote.
    I don't care if it is reasonable or unreasonable, I just care how much impact it will have on election results. Tweaking the rules of elections to try to get certain results is completely unacceptable. That is fraud on a scale radically beyond anything happening now in my view.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Call it elitism if you want, but most of us are the "elite" by that definition.

    who was it that made the famous saying about people who expect to be both ignorant and free, want what never was and never could be?

    Whoever it was was right.
    Well, its a step that you admit it is elitism.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Well, its a step that you admit it is elitism.
    Another useless reply with no merit or of any use at all, bravo!
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    I don't care if it is reasonable or unreasonable, I just care how much impact it will have on election results. Tweaking the rules of elections to try to get certain results is completely unacceptable. That is fraud on a scale radically beyond anything happening now in my view.
    As it has already been shown in states that have ID laws, it's affect was negligible in the elections from 2008 on, period.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Voter picture ID law? No way, not unless photo ID's and every piece of documentation required to get that photo ID are provided 100% at the State's expense. Otherwise it is a de facto poll tax.


    And while I'm usually not a fan of mandatory sentences, this is an exception. To discourage voter fraud there should be a MANDATORY death penalty for anyone convicted of voter fraud.
    Last edited by Muhammed; 01-16-12 at 07:17 PM.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    Voter picture ID law? No way, not unless photo ID's and every piece of documentation required to get that photo ID are provided 100% at the State's expense. Otherwise it is a de facto poll tax.


    And while I'm usually not a fan of mandatory sentences, this is an exception. To discourage voter fraud there should be a MANDATORY death penalty for anyone convicted of voter fraud.
    I agree it is a poll tax. Seems overkill to require the death penalty though, pardon the pun. With the current 5 years in jail/$5,000 fine, there are less cases of individual fraud each year than can be counted on ones toes.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I agree it is a poll tax. Seems overkill to require the death penalty though, pardon the pun. With the current 5 years in jail/$5,000 fine, there are less cases of individual fraud each year than can be counted on ones toes.
    I've seen no evidence that voter fraud is not rampant. The stuff I've seen indicates that it is widespread. I live in Ohio, a swing state. In 2004, 2006, and 2008 people were going door to door offering crack cocaine for completed voter registration forms in my neighborhood.

    Do you think they are just doing that for fun? Did they just have more coke than they knew what to do with?

    Or do you think that maybee...just maaaabeee...there might have been some voter fraud going on?
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    I've seen no evidence that voter fraud is not rampant. The stuff I've seen indicates that it is widespread. I live in Ohio, a swing state. In 2004, 2006, and 2008 people were going door to door offering crack cocaine for completed voter registration forms in my neighborhood.

    Do you think they are just doing that for fun? Did they just have more coke than they knew what to do with?

    Or do you think that maybee...just maaaabeee...there might have been some voter fraud going on?
    What is really telling about this whole topic is that most making the 'a little bit of fraud never hurt anybody' argument are self identified "liberals" or lefties. Must something in the water.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    I've seen no evidence that voter fraud is not rampant. The stuff I've seen indicates that it is widespread. I live in Ohio, a swing state. In 2004, 2006, and 2008 people were going door to door offering crack cocaine for completed voter registration forms in my neighborhood.

    Do you think they are just doing that for fun? Did they just have more coke than they knew what to do with?

    Or do you think that maybee...just maaaabeee...there might have been some voter fraud going on?

    It has been well documented and was referenced just a few pages back on this very thread that individual voter fraud is "extraordinarily rare.”:

    "Indeed, despite the Department of Justice’s 2002 “Ballot Access and Voting Integrity Initiative” promising to vigorously prosecute allegations of voter fraud, the federal government obtained only 26 convictions or guilty pleas for fraud between 2002 and 2005. And other studies of voter fraud consistently find that it is exceedingly rare – a 2007 Demos study concluded that “voter fraud appears to be very rare” and a 2007 study by the Brennan Center found that “by any measure, voter fraud is extraordinarily rare.”
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