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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    I don't posture...I'm a native Texan. I've lived here for quite a few decades. I know the politics here. I know how safe for unsafe the border is along Texas. Believe me, it's plenty unsafe and you can drive bus loads of terrorists across.
    I did not say you postured. The border towns in Texas are statistically safer than most parts of the US. I thought you said "don't believe" Rick Perry? You paying attention here?

    EDIT: My error. You did not say that. However, the only place the idea that US border towns are "dangerous" particularly compared to most US cities is laughable and easily debunked. No matter what Rick Perry says. In fact the fact he says that should be your first clue it is not the case. IMO. just saying.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gie View Post
    Wow, how surprising. Not only did Catawba run for the hills where his "17.2" percent argument went to die, but this must also be the place where the DNC hid the whole "requiring an ID to vote will disenfranchise voters" brain fart. Too bad, who knew that this is really all about getting illegal votes from non citizens so ya can get into office ala politics as usual? I mean aside from everyone but passionate defender of the same Catawba?
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gie View Post
    I did not say you postured. The border towns in Texas are statistically safer than most parts of the US. I thought you said "don't believe" Rick Perry? You paying attention here?
    Okay, Gie... Whooooaaaa, slow down there big fellar....

    I don't believe Rick Perry. I didn't believe GWB. And where do you get your statistics from? As I said, I'm a native Texan. I've lived here for all my life, I know the politics and the situation we have at our borders. The border is dangerous as hell...and you can drive bus loads of terrorists across at most anytime you want.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Okay, Gie... Whooooaaaa, slow down there big fellar....

    I don't believe Rick Perry. I didn't believe GWB. And where do you get your statistics from? As I said, I'm a native Texan. I've lived here for all my life, I know the politics and the situation we have at our borders. The border is dangerous as hell...and you can drive bus loads of terrorists across at most anytime you want.
    Quite a few sources, a friend of mine (O. Ricardo Pimentel) wrote a hilarious piece about the issue here. And he cites his sources, but common sense should clue you in already IMO.
    My visit to Del Rio makes Perry look wrong - San Antonio Express-News

    Yeah the border is dangerous as hell, on the other side of the border. So far, here in the US? Statistically safer than most of the US. Don't blame the messenger!
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    So, just requiring a voter ID disenfranchises around 1% of the voters- about 2.5 million people, where requiring a photo ID that was issued by the state in which you are voting and which has your current address disenfranchises around 25 million people. Maybe if you figure 1 in 5 would go get a new ID just to vote, that'd be 2 million and 20 million.
    Hmm.

    "Disfranchisement (also called disenfranchisement) is the revocation of the right of suffrage (the right to vote) of a person or group of people, or rendering a person's vote less effective, or ineffective. Disfranchisement may occur explicitly through law, or implicitly by intimidation or by placing unreasonable registration or identification impediments in the path of voters."

    Are you arguing that it is unreasonable for the state to insist on proof that you are who you say you are? If the requirement is uniform and if everybody else can meet it in the normal course of living their lives why would you consider it disenfranchisement? It seems that the threat to democracy is your insistence that those who are too lazy, too stupid or too illegal to get a state issued photo ID should be allowed to vote. If they cannot meet this reasonable requirement of a representative republic perhaps it is better that they don't vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Hmm.

    "Disfranchisement (also called disenfranchisement) is the revocation of the right of suffrage (the right to vote) of a person or group of people, or rendering a person's vote less effective, or ineffective. Disfranchisement may occur explicitly through law, or implicitly by intimidation or by placing unreasonable registration or identification impediments in the path of voters."

    Are you arguing that it is unreasonable for the state to insist on proof that you are who you say you are? If the requirement is uniform and if everybody else can meet it in the normal course of living their lives why would you consider it disenfranchisement? It seems that the threat to democracy is your insistence that those who are too lazy, too stupid or too illegal to get a state issued photo ID should be allowed to vote. If they cannot meet this reasonable requirement of a representative republic perhaps it is better that they don't vote.
    I have been voting regularly since 1972. That is forty years of elections. I have identified myself each and every time to the satisfaction of the poll worker and they did their due dilligence and verified that I was who I said I was.

    And all that has been accomplished without me once presenting a photo ID.

    Unnecessary requirements are not by definition reasonable requirements.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I have been voting regularly since 1972. That is forty years of elections. I have identified myself each and every time to the satisfaction of the poll worker and they did their due dilligence and verified that I was who I said I was.

    And all that has been accomplished without me once presenting a photo ID.

    Unnecessary requirements are not by definition reasonable requirements.
    Do you believe that your personal example overrides the need for proving that you are eligible to vote? The fact that no one bothered to confirm that you were eligible to vote does not invalidate its importance. It highlights it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Do you believe that your personal example overrides the need for proving that you are eligible to vote? The fact that no one bothered to confirm that you were eligible to vote does not invalidate its importance. It highlights it.
    All voting experiences are personal examples. My city clerk confirmed that I was eligible to vote when I first registered. The person working the polls confirmed that I was who I said I was. The system worked perfectly and no photo ID has ever been necessary for it to work.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    I don't know how much voter fraud there is, and doubt anyone else does either.

    One thing is certain, however. No one is going to be disenfranchised by requiring an ID to vote unless they are willing to be disenfranchised.

    The people who make no effort to exercise their right to vote, the slack jawed morons who sit passively and watch the attack ads, then decide whether to vote for the Marxist or the vulture capitalist aren't necessarily the ones we want to be voting anyway.

    If the potential voter can't even get an ID to vote, then good riddance. We already have too many such people voting.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Sunbelt, apparently you're not from Texas. GWB did and Perry allows the borders to be weak for political reasons. Think about it.
    Removable Mind, perhaps you're not from Arizona. Janet Napolitano allowed the borders to be weak for political reasons, and now she's directing all our border enforcement. GWB was no friend to conservatives, and neither is Rick Perry.
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