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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gie View Post
    I too enjoy playing devil's advocate. First off, I have no idea what you mean by someone had to "vouch" for you in order for you to vote. I'm unaware of any state that requires such a process to vote, either for the first time or any time afterwards. So that anecdotal relation really has no bearing on this issue. The fact of the matter is that most states already *require* all citizens in the state to have a valid photo identification, as in if you live in a state you are already required to have at the least a state ID. Not a drivers license but an state issued ID. So the idea that poor granny in her wheelchair would not already have one or can't afford one is not a persuasive argument against requiring more of the same to exercise one of our most important rights as citizens; voting. The idea that renewal fees are so abhorrently expensive and full of flat charges, surcharges, taxes, surtaxes, surtax fees and surcharge fees is a new one and an anecdotal relation that you will have to supply some proof of. In the five states I've lived in there was simply one fee for renewal and it was never very expensive, so you'll have to show proof of this exorbitant fee filled with flat charges, surcharges, taxes, surtax, surtax fees and surcharge fees before I'll bite.

    I too am concerned about the growth of government under the last few administrations. That is an issue separate and aside from the matter of voter ID and really has nothing to do with this topic. Just saying. While I might find your concern for the "poor" admirable there just simply are certain responsibilities we as citizens have to own up to. In short, your argument is not a very good one for not requiring ID to vote. I'm sure it has been brought up before in states that have passed this kind of law and I for one am pleased that such vacant appeals to emotion have not overcome common sense and the need to reform our election system by making sure crooked politicians can not rely upon illegal ineligible votes to secure their place in office.
    If granny can't wait in line to get a valid ID, how is she going to wait in line to vote?

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by barbarian_style View Post
    Exactly, lets get them ID's in their hands free if you're saying that someone is DICTATING that they have to have one. Besides I never said granny even had a wheelchair, medicare wouldn't pony up for that she's going through her appeal. It states right in the medicare & you 2012 coverage manual that durable goods are covered but had a walker issued to her a month ago and they are saying one durable ambulatory device a year the walker wasn't what she needed in the first place. It is a big mess and now you are denying her the right to vote?

    PS:she can't afford an ID right now, she is saving for a wheelchair and paying rent on one in the mean time. Hopefully medicare will reimburse her, poor & old lady.
    Poor old granny should have some family around to help her but in this case it sounds like her family is too selfish to lend her a helping hand to get her the ID or even a wheelchair.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Just another timely illustration by the GOP of their class war in their efforts to limit voting by low income voters.
    First off you are to be congratulated for wisely abandoning the mind numbingly and obviously idiotic ruse of a 17.2 argument you were unsuccessfully trying to push earlier. It convinced nobody of anything, except possibly that you might need to go back and take a second stab at statistics and rational argumentation. Sputtering DNC talking points like that only offer RNC replies such as, just another timely illustration by the DNC of their efforts to court the illegal alien vote by claiming it is all about poor low income voters.

    I realize at this point you want to keep the argument really stupid, but it looks like most members are not interested in the self administered lobotomy you so happily take part in. For myself? No thanks. And as before your arguments is poor and unpersuasive .

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    If granny can't wait in line to get a valid ID, how is she going to wait in line to vote?
    First off most states offer solutions to these problems, they are called hardship situations. You should educate yourself on such matters in your state and if you find them lacking then you should make an effort to see what you can do to assist the organizations that assist seniors in these matters in your state. Sorry, but the ability to continue to reform our voting system should not be held hostage to the hypothetical dramas of hypothetical granny. And indeed as we can see across the nation and in ever growing numbers, they are not. Which I applaud.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gie View Post
    First off, I have no idea what you mean by someone had to "vouch" for you in order for you to vote. I'm unaware of any state that requires such a process to vote, either for the first time or any time afterwards.
    I let my DL expire when I was younger as I was using mass transit. On voting day I didn't have a valid ID, only my expired one. Someone vouched that I was me and I got to vote. Not only did I get to vote but I got to register at the poll at that time.

    Slight exaggeration on the surcharge tax fee, but it really is becoming that bad, every time I go to DMV there is a new fee or surcharge. What used to be cheap is actually getting quite expensive.

    I really don't feel comfortable giving you any other personal information that you ask for such as the state I live so you can do your checks, thats just creaping and weird behavior.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    If granny can't wait in line to get a valid ID, how is she going to wait in line to vote?
    She will qualify to have her wheelchair, being it will be a year, just before election day.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by barbarian_style View Post
    I let my DL expire when I was younger as I was using mass transit. On voting day I didn't have a valid ID, only my expired one. Someone vouched that I was me and I got to vote. Not only did I get to vote but I got to register at the poll at that time.

    Slight exaggeration on the surcharge tax fee, but it really is becoming that bad, every time I go to DMV there is a new fee or surcharge. What used to be cheap is actually getting quite expensive.

    I really don't feel comfortable giving you any other personal information that you ask for such as the state I live so you can do your checks, thats just creaping and weird behavior.
    Well then your related anecdote has even less to do with this topic than I first suspected. Unless you are saying we should go back to the days when you could just show up with someone you know or a family member and get to vote because they "vouched" for you. I'm happy to say that voter ID laws will amend that situation, and just like everyone else you will have to go get your ID renewed before you can vote again.

    Where ever did you get the idea you had been asked for personal information such as the state you live in? And by whom? Are you paying attention? I can state unequivocally I could care less about any of that and advise that if you should ever actually see someone on a board asking for that info that you do not give it to them. Since I asked for no such thing, I find it more than a little weird that you think you read something that did ask for it.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gie View Post
    The idea that renewal fees are so abhorrently expensive and full of flat charges, surcharges, taxes, surtaxes, surtax fees and surcharge fees is a new one and an anecdotal relation that you will have to supply some proof of.
    I can't answer this question without giving you personal information, or can I? just kinda of a freak show type of phishing question.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gie View Post
    Well then your related anecdote has even less to do with this topic than I first suspected. Unless you are saying we should go back to the days when you could just show up with someone you know or a family member and get to vote because they "vouched" for you. I'm happy to say that voter ID laws will amend that situation, and just like everyone else you will have to go get your ID renewed before you can vote again.
    We are speaking of photo ID laws and voting, I don't see where you say it is off topic.

    Currently yes this is the table that is being set, that you will need a valid ID before voting again. This what I thought this whole thread was about, Weather or not there should be such harsh restrictions on voters.
    Last edited by barbarian_style; 12-30-11 at 04:14 PM.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by barbarian_style View Post
    I can't answer this question without giving you personal information, or can I?
    Since you already said you were exaggerating, why would you need to answer to it a second time? Let me help you out here, since you are having such a hard time. I'm not asking you for a single piece of information, I don't want any personally. But if you are going to claim that your state ID fee is full of flat charges, surcharges, taxes, surtaxes, surtax fees and surcharge fees then be prepared to prove it. If you are so paranoid that you don't want to say which state you live in then don't make it a lynchpin of your so called argument.

    A little attention to what you are reading and typing will probably help you with your confusion and the ridiculous idea that I'm creeping you and being weird. Jesus................
    Last edited by Gie; 12-30-11 at 04:21 PM.

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