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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    That's what I thought, you can't come with any other criminal fraud that we do as good a job of preventing than we currently do with voter fraud.

    Thanks for playing.
    Just another example of why your so called argument is poor and unpersuasive. It consist of asking silly questions that have nothing to do with my comments. I'm sure you would love to sit back, pose a thousand questions you think are very thoughtful and then at the end of the day pat your own back for such a well stated "argument". Still a poor and unpersuasive argument and it is that simple. As I said, if you decide you are up to addressing what I did say rather than the way I turned your own words back on you (guess it was over your head despite how obvious it was) and explaining how voters will be disenfranchised, please do so. At this point you clearly can't do that, despite how much your trumpet your so called "thought".

    Here let me rephrase. That's what I thought six hours ago when I asked. You can't detail how anyone will be disenfranchised by requiring an ID to vote. Good night.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gie View Post
    Just another example of why your so called argument is poor and unpersuasive. It consist of asking silly questions that have nothing to do with my comments. I'm sure you would love to sit back, pose a thousand questions you think are very thoughtful and then at the end of the day pat your own back for such a well stated "argument". Still a poor and unpersuasive argument and it is that simple. As I said, if you decide you are up to addressing what I did say rather than the way I turned your own words back on you (guess it was over your head despite how obvious it was) and explaining how voters will be disenfranchised, please do so. At this point you clearly can't do that, despite how much your trumpet your so called "thought".

    Here let me rephrase. That's what I thought six hours ago when I asked. You can't detail how anyone will be disenfranchised by requiring an ID to vote. Good night.
    I have already a posted a link to study that explains how 5 million voters would be disenfranchised. The question I asked speaks directly to the lack of need for a photo ID law.

    By your being unable to list a single example of any other criminal fraud that is currently prevented as well, you are acknowledging, whether you realize it or not, this not a burning issue.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I have already a posted a link to study that explains how 5 million voters would be disenfranchised.
    I have already posted a link showing that the study from 2006 does not jive with the results from the actual elections from 2008. You are desperately comparing a "guess" from a study in 2006, to actual results from the 2008 elections. It was reported from the 15 states that already have voter ID laws that effects on voter turn out was less than a percent. No 5 million disfranchised voters.

    You can keep ignoring it though. I understand.

    Good reading as well...

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...886790480.html
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I have already posted a link showing that the study from 2006 does not jive with the results from the actual elections from 2008. You are desperately comparing a "guess" from a study in 2006, to actual results from the 2008 elections. It was reported from the 15 states that already have voter ID laws that effects on voter turn out was less than a percent. No 5 million disfranchised voters.

    You can keep ignoring it though. I understand.

    Good reading as well...

    Kris W. Kobach: The Case for Voter ID - WSJ.com
    As I noted the last time you printed this right wing opinion piece. Photo ID laws have nothing to do with the cases of absentee voting fraud they speak of. Your red font was more convincing! LOL!

    There is no criminal fraud that we do a better job of preventing in the US than voter fraud.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    On average, less than 17.2 out of 190 million voters..... omg, it will devastate our voting system!!!! Totally worth disenfranchising 5 million eligible voters.
    Let me see…..
    17.2 million out of 190 million = 10%.
    5 million out of 190 million = 2%
    Mathematically, you lose.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Let me see…..
    17.2 million out of 190 million = 10%.
    5 million out of 190 million = 2%
    Mathematically, you lose.
    LOL! You misread the study, it is 17.2 people out of 190 million voters.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    As I noted the last time you printed this right wing opinion piece.
    Never posted this article before from the "Wall Street Journal." You are talking about the piece I posted from that right wing rag the "New York Times."

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Photo ID laws have nothing to do with the cases of absentee voting fraud they speak of. Your red font was more convincing! LOL!
    Ummm... I have not mentioned absentee ballots at all, for any reason.

    So far instead of answering anything at all you just launch into some kind of insane rant that has nothing to do with anything, anyone is saying.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    There is no criminal fraud that we do a better job of preventing in the US than voter fraud.
    This again has nothing to do with this post. As for your statement their is always room for improvement.
    Last edited by Black Dog; 12-29-11 at 03:52 AM.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    LOL! You misread the study, it is 17.2 people out of 190 million voters.
    I was using your words, not the words of some study you think I am aware of, or care about.

    Are you are trying to tell me that there were only 17.2 illegal votes out of 190 million votes in any recent election?

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    I was using your words, not the words of some study you think I am aware of, or care about.

    Are you are trying to tell me that there were only 17.2 illegal votes out of 190 million votes in any recent election?
    Between 2002 and 2006 according to the study 120 people were arrested and 86 convicted of Federal vote fraud in a national election. Irrelevant I know, but Catawba's partisan fallacy arguments knows no bounds.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    I was using your words, not the words of some study you think I am aware of, or care about.

    Are you are trying to tell me that there were only 17.2 illegal votes out of 190 million votes in any recent election?
    Sure, why would I expect you to read the actual study before you weighed in with your words of wisdom?

    My words were 17.2 which you assumed meant million rather than individuals.

    Do you have anything to add to the topic discussion, or are you here to argue over your misunderstanding of a subject you have no interest in learning more about?
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