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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    The only reason I can imagine anyone adamantly opposing the ID requirement is their desire to allow those who are in the country illegally an opportunity to vote.
    On average, less than 17.2 out of 190 million voters..... omg, it will devastate our voting system!!!! Totally worth disenfranchising 5 million eligible voters.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    On average, less than 17.2 out of 190 million voters..... omg, it will devastate our voting system!!!! Totally worth disenfranchising 5 million eligible voters.
    Whether it will "devastate" the system or just screw it a little so some politicians can get votes from "voters" that are not legal is not really the issue. A little fraud never hurt anyone. Right? Wrong. You present a poor and unpersuasive argument for allowing those without a state required ID to vote in our country.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    On average, less than 17.2 out of 190 million voters..... omg, it will devastate our voting system!!!! Totally worth disenfranchising 5 million eligible voters.
    If reasonable requirements equals disenfranchising then perhaps we should be happy they are not voting.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    If reasonable requirements equals disenfranchising then perhaps we should be happy they are not voting.
    Why would any American be happy that large numbers of their fellow citizens are disenfranchised from voting?
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Why would any American be happy that large numbers of their fellow citizens are disenfranchised from voting?
    They are not being disenfranchised. You are lying. If they are unwilling to meet reasonable requirements to prove they are eligible to vote then they should not vote.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    They are not being disenfranchised. You are lying. If they are unwilling to meet reasonable requirements to prove they are eligible to vote then they should not vote.
    I am using YOUR own language

    If reasonable requirements equals disenfranchising then perhaps we should be happy they are not voting.
    So why are you happy about this?
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Why would any American be happy that large numbers of their fellow citizens are disenfranchised from voting?
    Why would any American be happy that large numbers of ineligible non citizens are allowed to vote when they have no right to do so?

    Also, please share how requiring voters to show ID, proving they are whom they say they are and have the right to vote, disfranchises "voters". Ahead of time you can label me as quite happy that those being "disenfranchised" are those who have no right to be participating in the voting process in the first place. Requiring an ID from a citizen to vote only disenfranchises non citizens from voting, a necessary and long overdue part of election reform. Since the various ID requirements across the states enjoy bi partisan support, trying to pin this on one party of the other would be foolish.

    While I have not seen your so called argument for the so called "disenfranchised" I think you had better get used to the idea that this kind of reform is coming down the turnpike. The "disenfranchised" argument does not on the surface hold much value or common sense. I suspect beneath the surface it has does not hold much more value. Or common sense outside of a debate forum.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gie View Post
    Whether it will "devastate" the system or just screw it a little so some politicians can get votes from "voters" that are not legal is not really the issue. A little fraud never hurt anyone. Right? Wrong. You present a poor and unpersuasive argument for allowing those without a state required ID to vote in our country.
    Tell me what other criminal fraud we do as good of job preventing as we currently do with voter fraud?
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Why would any American be happy that large numbers of their fellow citizens are disenfranchised from voting?
    To limit people that would not vote for conservatives. It could hardly be more clear. Just another reason to vote out the conservatives in the next two elections.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    To limit people that would not vote for conservatives. It could hardly be more clear. Just another reason to vote out the conservatives in the next two elections.
    That is ridicules to say the least. Most of my family are progressive/liberal including my wife. I imagine most people (conservatives and progressives) don't want to disfranchise anyone.

    I mean the poll itself is pretty telling. The majority of independents, liberals, libertarians and conservatives have no problem with it. Only people who are just partisan hacks are stead fast against or for it. Those of us with no agenda just think it is a good idea with the proper limitations so it does not become a burden. Like the article I posted said of the 2008 election "those affected by ID laws (could not vote) were a fraction of a percent." Not 5,000,000 people as the report that "guessed" at the number reported in 2006.

    So here you have a study vs the actual election and the election proved that states with ID laws had no problems at all. It also shows without a doubt the effects on voter turnout were "negligible" at best.
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