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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I guess I fall on the side of pragmatics. The system works, has worked for quite a well and will - in all probable likelyhood - continue to work without voter ID.
    Pragmatism would dictate more efficient and effective practices. There are those who believe having to provide more positive identification would promote this. I do however respect your opinion.

    Regarding your statement about voter correction and whining ---- while I can understand and sympathize, I do think that recalls like in Wisconsin and referendum like in Ohio, begin as whining and complaining and that stage of just bitching is part of the process. If it gets loud enough and gets enough citizens angered, then it is taken to the next level.

    I certainly agree with you that the voters and citizens need to be far more engaged than many are.
    Points taken succinctly, we’ll see if it gets loud enough.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by a777pilot View Post
    Except for the fact that a dead person won the election. The Democrat Governor said, before the election, that if the dead man won he would appoint the dead man's widow as the State's Senator. That is not legal. There should have been a special election after the General election. Why do I say that appointment of the widow as the Senator was illegal? Easy, a new Senator was never sworn in so there is no way the Governor had the legal right to appoint a successor.

    But in the wide world of election fraud in the Democrat Party....the end justifies the means.
    Your opinion is only your opinion and has no force of law. As such, it needs much much more, So please do provide it here.

    By all means present the law and proof of the illegality.

    By all means do present the findings of a court when this challenge was made in the proper court.

    I await your verifiable evidence.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Your opinion is only your opinion and has no force of law. As such, it needs much much more, So please do provide it here.

    By all means present the law and proof of the illegality.

    By all means do present the findings of a court when this challenge was made in the proper court.

    I await your verifiable evidence.
    Mr. Ashcroft did not take this to a Federal Court. Good for him. He would have won the case but then would never have won the special election.

    Do I have to do all your research for you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by a777pilot View Post
    Mr. Ashcroft did not take this to a Federal Court. Good for him. He would have won the case but then would never have won the special election.

    Do I have to do all your research for you?
    So there was no legal challenge and no court ruled supporting the argument that you are making here.

    So in summary then what we have was
    1) a legal election won my Mel Carnahan
    2) a vacancy declared in the office by the leal authorities
    3) a legal appointment made by the proper authorities
    4) a refusal to challenge by the one person who had legal standing to do so
    5) no legal ruling saying that anything done in this election was illegal, fraudulent or outside the law

    You seem to have great trouble separating your own opinion and views on this matter and the reality of what actually did happen.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    86 (that there was enough proof to convict) divided by 5 is still 17.2 by my calculator. The red font doesn't change that. Sorry! As your link points out:
    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    #1 It makes your article wrong.
    Red font makes my article wrong??? Really? LOL!

    #2 Not my link, the play drive.
    Then you should have read it before posting it.


    #3 My argument has never been that the fraud was perpetrated by allot of people. My contention is that it happens.


    #4 there were only 86 cases of individual voter fraud nationwide - Subject: Voter ID Op-Ed by State Sen. Daylin Leach
    Over 5 years, yep! You got it! That's 17.2 people out of 190,000,000 voters in an election. What other penalty for a crime works as effectively as the current $5,000 and 5 years in jail?

    Since you don't seem to have a reasonable case to be made for further regulatory hurdles for people to jump through to vote, I can only conclude that you have an ulterior motive which you have alluded to before, your desire is to limit some of the "morons" from voting.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Red font makes my article wrong??? Really? LOL!
    Not at all. The fact it got the number of people arrested and convicted wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Then you should have read it before posting it.
    Again because you seem to be having issues....

    Theplaydrive posted the article initially, not me.

    Can make it no clearer for you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Over 5 years, yep! You got it! That's 17.2 people out of 190,000,000 voters in an election. What other penalty for a crime works as effectively as the current $5,000 and 5 years in jail?
    It would depend on how rigorously people are prosecuted etc. Of course that has nothing to do with my response or overall argument.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Since you don't seem to have a reasonable case to be made for further regulatory hurdles for people to jump through to vote, I can only conclude that you have an ulterior motive which you have alluded to before, your desire is to limit some of the "morons" from voting.
    I have not only made the case 15 states and the Supreme Court of the United States also agree, and have made my case for me. Many more states will be following after the holidays, and the state legislatures get back into session.

    As for your comments in red. Please, are you really going to state something that stupid and unbelievable?
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    If capitalists are going to employ these people in order to increase their profits or keep their prices low, thereby making themselves rich or richer, than I'm not going to deny these people the right to vote -- regardless of their immigration status. They're working, they're being used for profit, they are contributing to the economy -- they vote. Period.

    Anyone who doesn't like that should address the incentive for them to come here for a better life -- the people (capitalists) that employ them as an underclass. End of story.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Not at all. The fact it got the number of people arrested and convicted wrong.
    Bush's Department of Justice got their 5 year study wrong???
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Bush's Department of Justice got their 5 year study wrong???
    Typical of you to get it completely wrong.

    Here is your post - http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1060058132

    Here is your statement from the article - A five year study conducted by President Bush’s Justice Department found that out of more than 300 million votes, there were only 86 cases of individual voter fraud nationwide, and most of them involved immigrants who misunderstood their eligibility.

    The part in red is wrong.

    86 individuals were convicted, 120 were arrested, and we don't know how many were under investigation and did not have enough evidence to prosecute. Now many of them (convicted felons and illegals) say "well we didn't know," and did not get charged? So they were not prosecuted. Do you honestly believe that? Honestly? Besides ignorance of the law is no excuse. If I run a stop sign and said I did not know it was illegal, how far would I get?

    In either case it is wrong information as I already said... twice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
    Quote Originally Posted by Absentglare View Post
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    If capitalists are going to employ these people in order to increase their profits or keep their prices low, thereby making themselves rich or richer, than I'm not going to deny these people the right to vote -- regardless of their immigration status. They're working, they're being used for profit, they are contributing to the economy -- they vote. Period.

    Anyone who doesn't like that should address the incentive for them to come here for a better life -- the people (capitalists) that employ them as an underclass. End of story.
    OK Karl, here lie down and relax. I will get you a cool drink of water. Now please stay out of the sun.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
    Quote Originally Posted by Absentglare View Post
    You can successfully wipe your ass with toilet paper, that doesn't mean that you should.

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