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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by a777pilot View Post
    Once again, showing a government issued photo ID to actually vote is the wrong solution to the wrong problem. If an illegal immigrant is registered to vote and has a government issued photo ID, that illegal is or will be allowed to vote. I say that is absoluting wrong and needs to be ended.
    Sorry, I didn't post the requirements to become a 'registered voter' in Tennessee. It requires a person among other things to be a US Citizen.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by a777pilot View Post
    Good grief! A non citizen can register to vote and all they have to do is lie. Happens all the time. There is not one county that will actually take these register via a 3 by 5 card and check to see if the info is correct. They will just issue a voter registration card and that person can now vote.....with or with out a government issued photo ID.
    That's correct but really, laws typically keep the law abiding...well, law abiding.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Sorry, I didn't post the requirements to become a 'registered voter' in Tennessee. It requires a person among other things to be a US Citizen.
    You are in fact 100% correct. They are required to be USA citizens, the rub, however, is that there is not one government agency that will or has ever since the Supreme Court case in the 1970's checked to see if those registering are in fact US citizens. They are just assumed to be telling the truth.

    Neat system, this?
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    That's correct but really, laws typically keep the law abiding...well, law abiding.
    True.


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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by FFDP666 View Post
    I voted no, . . . if its a right all you should need is to be a citizen, thats it.
    What manner of evidence should the state demand from you to prove that you are a citizen? And at the polls how does an official there determine that you are who you say your are?

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    While the intention is to prevent fraud and that is worthy ... it is unconstitutional to require a photo ID.

    Our constitution protects our citizens right to vote. Requiring an ID puts a burden on the elderly, those in poverty and the disabled.


    I vote no.
    Really? I looked through the Constitution a few minutes ago. I saw many places where it said citizens shall have the right to vote. Not one time did I see it say that photo IDs are not allowed. I believe the Constitution places a burden on the states to ensure that only citizens are voting. How would you ensure that each vote was cast by a living citizen and only one time per citizen?

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    What manner of evidence should the state demand from you to prove that you are a citizen? And at the polls how does an official there determine that you are who you say your are?
    At my polling place in Michigan they compare my voters registration signature with my signature that I provide in front of them on the day I walk in to vote. If they DO NOT MATCH, then they ask for identification.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    Actually Back in 2006 the Republicans passed a similar law that was overturned by the Supreme Court. The court found it un-constitutional to require photo IDs to vote. The cost of obtaining document is just too much money for some and an unnecessary burden.
    I Googled it. The law you refer to was overturned by the Missouri state supreme court. I noted this sentence in the article:

    Hearne also was involved in Indiana's voter ID law, which the U.S. Supreme Court upheld in 2008 against claims that it infringed on rights guaranteed under the U.S. Constitution.

    That led me to this:

    Supreme Court Decides Challenge to State Voter Identification Laws
    In April 2008, the Supreme Court decided a case challenging Indiana's strict voter identification law. In Crawford v Marion Election Board, the Court considered an appeal from a Seventh Circuit decision upholding a Indiana law that required voters to present either a driver's license, a passport, or a state-issued photo identification card. In a 2 to 1 panel decision, Judge Richard Posner found the law not to violate the First Amendment or the Equal Protection Clause. Posner wrote, "It is exceedingly difficult to manuever in today's America without a photo id (try flying, or even entering a tall building, such as the courthouse in which we sit, without one). And, as a consequence, a vast majority of adults have such identification." A 2007 study showed that 13% of registered voters in Indiana lacked the required identification and that most of those tend to vote Democratic. (The law disproportionately affects the poor, minorities, and the elderly, who usually vote for Democrats.) The Bush administration took the side of Indiana, arguing in an amicus brief that the state has an interest in "deterring voter fraud."

    By a vote of 6 to 3, the Court rejected the challenge. Three justices (Stevens, Roberts, and Kennedy) allowed that an as-applied challenge to the law might have merit if a plaintiff could show that the law placed a special "burden" on his or her ability to vote, such that heightened scrutiny of the law was appropriate. Three concurring justices (Scalia, Thomas, and Alito) believed that the Indiana law should be subjected only to rational basis analysis, and that the state's interest in preventing voter fraud constituted a rational basis.

    Three dissenting justices (Souter, Ginsburg, and Breyer) concluded, using a balancing test, that Indiana's interest in preventing voter fraud did not justify the significant burden the law placed on specific groups of voters.

    The argument pressed by the plaintiffs that any burden on the right to vote, however slight it is or however meager the number of voters affected by it, cannot pass constitutional muster unless it is shown to serve a compelling state interest was rejected in Burdick v. Takushi and rejected again in Crawford. In Takushi the Court said, "Election laws will invariably impose some burden upon individual voters. . . . [T]o subject every voting regulation to strict scrutiny and to require that the regulation be narrowly tailored to advance a compelling state interest, as petitioner suggests, would tie the hands of States seeking to assure that elections are operated equitably and efficiently."

    My interpretation is that voter ID requirements are Constitutional.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I'm all for it. Let's establish a national voting ID and make it compulsory. All Americans need to get one otherwise they can't vote. Let's see how many "TOO MUCH GOVERNMENT" Conservatives will start complaining 3 days after it is implemented.
    The time, place, and manner of voting in federal elections is a state responsibility.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Voting is a constitutional right, boarding a plane is not.
    It is a right restricted to citizens. What method would you use to prove that each person who votes is a citizen? How would you prevent people from voting more than one time in an election?

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