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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Here is your answer: we have a system and it works. It works darn well and there is precious little evidence of any problems at all. I will take any system that has an error rate of 86 out of nearly 200 million. While that may not be perfection, it is the closest damn thing you will see in any work of man.

    Those on the right are offering a solution to a problem that does not exist all because they do not want certain folks to vote. That is it in a nutshell pure and simple. You can put lipstick on a pig but its still a pig. And this right wing "solution" to an existent problem is one stinky pig.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Here is your answer: we have a system and it works. It works darn well and there is precious little evidence of any problems at all. I will take any system that has an error rate of 86 out of nearly 200 million. While that may not be perfection, it is the closest damn thing you will see in any work of man.

    Those on the right are offering a solution to a problem that does not exist all because they do not want certain folks to vote. That is it in a nutshell pure and simple. You can put lipstick on a pig but its still a pig. And this right wing "solution" to an existent problem is one stinky pig.
    You've got to be kidding me, right?

    In the past few years there has been Democrat voting fraud that almost or did change the out come of many elections. I give you Washington State, Minnesota, Missouri, Florida, Louisiana, Wisconsin, Illinois, California, Inidana...... The list goes on and on. Where have you been? Asleep or just brain dead?
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    p.s., I want every one that is eligible to vote, to vote. There, that is about as clear a statement as I can make.

    As for most Democrats, they just want the proper out come, no matter the means.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Because so much of this thread has been suppostion with no SPECIFIC discussion on the various laws I post this:

    Starting in 2012, registered voters in Tennessee will have to show government-issued photo identification in order to cast a ballot at the polls.
    Acceptable forms of ID include:
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    Tennessee driver license with a photo (current or expired);
    o A driver license issued by another state (current or expired);
    o U.S. passport;
    o Federal employee ID with photo;
    o State employee ID with photo (including those issued by state universities);
    o U.S. military ID; or
    o Gun permit card with a photo.
    Student ID cards from state universities are NOT acceptable.
    The new law requiring a government-issued photo ID to vote applies only to those voting at polling places. It does not apply to those casting absentee ballots under state law, including those age 65 or older who wish to vote absentee or those voting at licensed nursing homes.
    If you are a registered voter and do not have a government-issued photo ID, the Department of Safety and Homeland Security will provide you with a photo ID at no charge.
    To minimize wait times, groups or organizations planning to bring several people to the centers for photo IDs are encouraged to make appointments..
    Under the new voter ID law, in order to get a photo ID for voting purposes, voters must show the following documentation to a Driver Service Center examiner:
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    Proof of citizenship (such as a birth certificate); and
    o Two proofs of Tennessee residency (such as a copy of a utility bill, vehicle registration/title, or bank statement).
    Any citizen who currently holds a non-photo Tennessee driver license may elect to simply get a photo driver license rather than a separate photo ID.
    Registered voters may convert a non-photo driver license to a photo driver license at Driver Service Centers or any of the Department's county clerk partner locations at no charge.
    A citizen with a non-photo driver license must sign an affidavit under penalty of perjury stating that he or she does not have a valid government-issued photo ID for voting purposes. There will be no fee for this service.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by a777pilot View Post
    You've got to be kidding me, right?

    In the past few years there has been Democrat voting fraud that almost or did change the out come of many elections. I give you Washington State, Minnesota, Missouri, Florida, Louisiana, Wisconsin, Illinois, California, Inidana...... The list goes on and on. Where have you been? Asleep or just brain dead?
    Brain dead could be interpreted as one making allegations, claims of fact, and boasts of widespread problems without providing evidence of the same.

    So lets see it.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Because so much of this thread has been suppostion with no SPECIFIC discussion on the various laws I post this:

    • Starting in 2012, registered voters in Tennessee will have to show government-issued photo identification in order to cast a ballot at the polls.
    • Acceptable forms of ID include:
    o
    Tennessee driver license with a photo (current or expired);
    o A driver license issued by another state (current or expired);
    o U.S. passport;
    o Federal employee ID with photo;
    o State employee ID with photo (including those issued by state universities);
    o U.S. military ID; or
    o Gun permit card with a photo.
    • Student ID cards from state universities are NOT acceptable.
    • The new law requiring a government-issued photo ID to vote applies only to those voting at polling places. It does not apply to those casting absentee ballots under state law, including those age 65 or older who wish to vote absentee or those voting at licensed nursing homes.
    • If you are a registered voter and do not have a government-issued photo ID, the Department of Safety and Homeland Security will provide you with a photo ID at no charge.
    • To minimize wait times, groups or organizations planning to bring several people to the centers for photo IDs are encouraged to make appointments..
    • Under the new voter ID law, in order to get a photo ID for voting purposes, voters must show the following documentation to a Driver Service Center examiner:
    o
    Proof of citizenship (such as a birth certificate); and
    o Two proofs of Tennessee residency (such as a copy of a utility bill, vehicle registration/title, or bank statement).
    • Any citizen who currently holds a non-photo Tennessee driver license may elect to simply get a photo driver license rather than a separate photo ID.
    • Registered voters may convert a non-photo driver license to a photo driver license at Driver Service Centers or any of the Department's county clerk partner locations at no charge.
    • A citizen with a non-photo driver license must sign an affidavit under penalty of perjury stating that he or she does not have a valid government-issued photo ID for voting purposes. There will be no fee for this service.
    Once again, showing a government issued photo ID to actually vote is the wrong solution to the wrong problem. If an illegal immigrant is registered to vote and has a government issued photo ID, that illegal is or will be allowed to vote. I say that is absoluting wrong and needs to be ended.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Brain dead could be interpreted as one making allegations, claims of fact, and boasts of widespread problems without providing evidence of the same.

    So lets see it.
    What? Too lazy to reseach it yourself. Figures.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    • A citizen with a non-photo driver license must sign an affidavit under penalty of perjury stating that he or she does not have a valid government-issued photo ID for voting purposes. There will be no fee for this service.
    Good grief! A non citizen can register to vote and all they have to do is lie. Happens all the time. There is not one county that will actually take these register via a 3 by 5 card and check to see if the info is correct. They will just issue a voter registration card and that person can now vote.....with or with out a government issued photo ID.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by a777pilot View Post
    What? Too lazy to reseach it yourself. Figures.
    Rule #1 about participating in debate: it is not the job of the other side to prove your own allegations. That responsibility is solely upon your own shoulders.

    Rule #2 about participating in debate: read and understand what the other side has already presented before you go saying something that just makes you look like you walked in unaware and uneducated.

    I did my research. I did present my evidence. It was right there presented to you in this very thread, both today by me and by others in the past.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/12/wa...pagewanted=all

    http://www.brennancenter.org/content...dentification/

    ID requirements are not justified by any serious or widespread problem. Proponents often cite fraud or the potential for fraud to justify new ID requirements. There is no question that election misconduct exists, including improper purges of eligible voters, distributing false information about when and where to vote, stuffing of ballot boxes, and tampering with registration forms. But there is no evidence that the type of fraud addressed by stricter voter ID - individual voters who misrepresent their identities at the polls - is anything but an anomaly. In Ohio, a statewide survey found four instances of ineligible persons voting or attempting to vote in 2002 and 20042C out of 9,078,728 votes cast - a rate of 0.00004%. Despite the invocation of fraud as support for the new Georgia law, Georgia Secretary of State Cathy Cox has stated that she could not recall one documented case of voter fraud relating to the impersonation of a registered voter at the polls during her ten-year tenure as an election official. Nationwide, since October 2002, 86 individuals have been convicted of federal crimes relating to election fraud (including several offenses not remedied by ID requirements), while 196,139,871 ballots have been cast in federal general elections. Statistically, Americans are more likely to be killed by a bolt of lightning.



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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Really? Both involve a 'constitutional right'...so you have no problem allowing anyone to walk in and purchase a firearm...right? I mean...as long as they are who they say they are...thats good enough!
    Is there a Constitutional right to vote?

    In the body of the Constitution it up to the states.

    What about the Amendments?

    Amendment 12: Electors in the states vote for pres and vice-pres.
    Amendment 15: The right of citizens to vote shall not be denied or abridged because of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.
    Amendment 17: Senators shall be elected by the people from each state (in my opinion this is part of our present problems).
    Amendment 19: The right of citizens to vote shall not be denied or abridged because of sex.
    Amendment 24: The right of citizens to vote shall not be denied or abridged by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or any other tax. (Maybe this needs to be changed to say that one must prove one pays taxes before one has the right to vote in that election --this could eliminate the 47-51% of the people who do not pay federal income taxes.)
    Amendment 26: The right of citizens, who are 18 or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged because of age.

    My interpretation is that every US citizen who is at least 18 can vote. It is up to the states to set the time, place and manner for voting. I don't see any provisions for making it easy for the stupid, the lazy, the criminal, or the dead, to vote.

    Over and over the Constitution makes it clear that citizens have voting rights. So it follows that the states must prove citizenship.

    The is a Constitutional right to keep and bear arms.

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