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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Actually, I think it is better to take each and every right under the Constitution and decide what is best for it based on that right itself and not on how you fairly limit or exercise control in regard to other rights. As such, I do not think the arguments made in favor or against voting rights or gun rights are automatically transferrable and applicable to the other.
    Of course not, the point I made is uncomfortable for those who whine about making people merely show an ID to vote but want would be gun owners to get background checks, suffer waiting periods etc

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    Since another Presidential election is coming up, how about this topic again?

    Should people have to show their photo ID in order to vote in US presidential elections? Why or why not?
    I did not answer the question because it is the wrong question.

    The question ought to be: Should those registering to vote have to prove citizenship and eligibility to vote?

    Showing a photo ID when one votes is a bit of closing the barn door after the horses have escaped, now isn't it?
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I voted no, as the negative effect in disenfranchising voters is greater than any good from addressing a non-existent voter fraud problem.
    Is it? How is anyone disenfranchised because they are too lazy, too stupid or too criminal to get a legitimate government issued ID? Doesn't it come down to personal responsibility? Oh, wait, we are talking about potential democratic voters? My bad.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Is it? How is anyone disenfranchised because they are too lazy, too stupid or too criminal to get a legitimate government issued ID? Doesn't it come down to personal responsibility? Oh, wait, we are talking about potential democratic voters? My bad.
    Why is this an issue of laziness, intelligence or criminality? That is absurd and unfounded.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Why is this an issue of laziness, intelligence or criminality? That is absurd and unfounded.
    It's real simple. Even illegals can get a government issued ID and then vote. Having a government issued photo ID is the wrong solution to the wrong problem.

    Only the State of Arizonia has passed a state law requiring those the register to vote to actually prove they are elligible to vote. That law is still in the federal courts.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    "Imagine if everyone in Manhattan, Queens and the Bronx suddenly lost the right to vote.

    That's about the number of people 5 million and counting affected by changes already adopted or currently pending in state legislatures around the country. When all is said and done, millions more could lose the right to vote."

    Voting Rights | American Civil Liberties Union Blog of Rights: Official Blog of the American Civil Liberties Union
    Do you believe the alleged five million people that are too lazy, too stupid, or to criminal to vote are all in one place? Or is it more likely that my community has five of them, yours has five of them...

    Imagine a vote without voter fraud. What would the democrats do?

    In addition to a valid ID we need to eliminate absentee ballots unless one is in the military, is overseas during the voting, or has some other legitimate reason other than convenience. There is way too much opportunity for mischief.

    And finally we need to figure out how to keep the likes of Lenin from counting the votes, especially in districts where Lenin is likely to discover lost ballots to overcome the slight margins of victory republicans have.

    And once gain, why is placing a reasonable burden to prove one is eligible to vote even discussed under "losing their right" to vote. It is a bold lie. They keep their right. They chose not to exercise it.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by a777pilot View Post
    It's real simple. Even illegals can get a government issued ID and then vote. Having a government issued photo ID is the wrong solution to the wrong problem.

    Only the State of Arizonia has passed a state law requiring those the register to vote to actually prove they are elligible to vote. That law is still in the federal courts.
    EVEN......????? You are willing to threaten the votes of millions of people because you hinge your reasoning on a possibility rather than any significant evidence of a real problem? Amazing!!!

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    Imagine a vote without voter fraud. What would the democrats do?
    What would Democrats do about what? There were 86 convictions for voter fraud in a five year recent period. So tell us in which of those elections did the Democrats win the office and would have lost had those people not voted?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/12/wa...pagewanted=all

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Oh, I don't care if people are required to have IDs, so long as the state ensures that people get them. My point is that your attempt to tell people what they think is stupid and desperate.
    Now how will the state do that? Since nearly everybody is capable of getting a government issued ID card today why should the taxpayer (the state) have to do anything else? At what point do you cut loose the dregs of society that are just too incompetent to get a valid ID? Should we be content with 92% having valid ID? After all that would match the number of people who are employed.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    If they require it, it should be free to get a state ID card. Drivers license IDs are fine to require fees for, but the poor who maybe don't drive and just need an ID should be able to get one for free. Otherwise requiring an ID to vote amounts to a poll tax.
    Are you assuming that the only reason for having a government issued ID is to vote? When does anyone have any personal responsibility in your world view?

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    EVEN......????? You are willing to threaten the votes of millions of people because you hinge your reasoning on a possibility rather than any significant evidence of a real problem? Amazing!!!

    from MisterV



    What would Democrats do about what? There were 86 convictions for voter fraud in a five year recent period. So tell us in which of those elections did the Democrats win the office and would have lost had those people not voted?

    In 5-Year Effort, Scant Evidence of Voter Fraud - New York Times

    Policy Brief on Voter Identification | Brennan Center for Justice
    If, and that is one really big if, there is no great problem with voter fraud, then there ought be no problem with ALL that would register to vote to actually prove they are citizens and eligible to vote, now would there?

    Why, if this is but a right wing made up problem, would liberals/Democrats have a problem with either of both proving eligibility and showing a photo ID when actually voting?



    I will not be holding my breath waiting for a reasoned answer.


    LOL!


    Try researching modern history and see where and by whom, the vast majority of voter cheating and fraud is taking place. Yup, it's in Democrat areas and by Democrats.
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