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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Since I didn't read the summary, I'm glad the summary agrees with me, and it's not 5 million disenfranchised voters, as I've already pointed out, and your summary pointed out.

    "This wave of changes may sharply tilt the political terrain for the 2012 election. " Like you, I too concur with this.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    One of my RL friends did not have a license. He was eligible to vote legally, but he was in a weird scenario where he couldn't get an ID or a license.
    Unless he's done something wrong and he just doesn't want to get caught or he would just have to wait for information to come in, I don't see why he couldn't get at least an ID.

    My siblings and I are just all starting to get licenses. We have all been able to get ID cards, permits, and/or licenses in many different states. Some take a little more info than others, but everyone can eventually get what they need with a little research and trying.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I voted no, as the negative effect in disenfranchising voters is greater than any good from addressing a non-existent voter fraud problem.
    What????? If we look quite a bit younger than our years we get carded when purchasing booze and cigarettes. What's the big deal?

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    This may surprise you but many of the elderly, the poor, students, and minorities do not have a photo ID.

    What purpose does increasing hardship on some to vote serve?
    It's really not a hardship to get an ID whether it's a drivers lic. or a gov't one. A simple thing to do and something that only has to be done every few years, so I don't think it would be that difficult for someone to find a way to get out and get one. Students always find a way to get out and stir it up, so to speak, and I'm sure they'd be able to handle hitching a ride from a friend to make the move into getting an ID.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    "As a libertarian, I tend to look at cost before I look at benefits. In 2008, the Supreme Court looked at state imposed voter ID in Indiana in the case Crawford v. Marion County Election Board. In the majority opinion, Justice John Paul Stevens stated that voter ID was constitutional as long as the state offered the identification cards free of charge. Otherwise, voter identification cards qualify as a poll tax. If the Mississippi voter ID initiative passes in November, the physical printing and distribution of a new form of identification as well as the implementation of the new policy will end up costing the state one and a half million dollars a year. Are the benefits worth the cost?

    Studies have shown that states that require photo identification in elections have little to no significant difference in voter turnout or fraud. “In [a] 2008 survey, three out of 2,564 respondents said that they tried to vote but were not allowed because of voter ID, a fraction of a percent.”[1] The only claim by either side that has any relevance is that some groups may not receive equal treatment by poll workers when asked for identification. “In the 2008 Super Tuesday primary states, 53% of whites were asked to show photo ID, compared with 58% of Hispanics and a staggering 73% of African Americans.”[2] The above data should be a warning for Mississippians to rethink their support of voter identification when they go to the polls this Tuesday. More unnecessary spending and possible discrimination at the polls makes voter identification contain more negative policy implications than positive. This is why I am voting NO on Initiative 27."

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    only 12 people were prosecuted for trying to buy a gun with a record once the brady bill went through. The fact is, if its ok to make gun buyers go through background checks, (which often includes delays) and showing ID, then whining its not ok to make voters at least show an ID is specious

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    only 12 people were prosecuted for trying to buy a gun with a record once the brady bill went through. The fact is, if its ok to make gun buyers go through background checks, (which often includes delays) and showing ID, then whining its not ok to make voters at least show an ID is specious
    If you feel that gun laws are unnecessary in many cases, would it not be intellectually consistent for you to also be against these ID requirements?

    It would seem that to support one (voting ID when no problem is present) is terribly hypocritical when one also condemns the other (gun background check laws & ID).

    You recently went on record in another thread as saying you were against former felons getting back their right to vote because you felt they would vote Democratic and that was against your own personal political interests. While I respect your honesty while deploring the partisanship and lack of principle in your position, I cannot help but wonder if those same personal motivations are part of this support of yours for photo ID?
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    If you feel that gun laws are unnecessary in many cases, would it not be intellectually consistent for you to also be against these ID requirements?

    It would seem that to support one (voting ID when no problem is present) is terribly hypocritical when one also condemns the other (gun background check laws & ID).

    You recently went on record in another thread as saying you were against former felons getting back their right to vote because you felt they would vote Democratic and that was against your own personal political interests. While I respect your honesty while deploring the partisanship and lack of principle in your position, I cannot help but wonder if those same personal motivations are part of this support of yours for photo ID?
    I am merely noting that I find it strange that those who are most opposed to people having to merely show an ID to vote are usually from the same camp that wants to impose more and more restrictions on those of us who want to exercise our Constitutional rights to own guns. that is the real hypocrisy. I have no problem with the several states requiring individuals who want to buy a weapon supplying ID to prove they are old enough to do so (which is a requirement-if imposed by the various states-I do not find to infringe on either state or national constitutional provisions) I do not think the federal government has the proper authority to say make a law banning 19 or 20 year olds from buying a handgun.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I am merely noting that I find it strange that those who are most opposed to people having to merely show an ID to vote are usually from the same camp that wants to impose more and more restrictions on those of us who want to exercise our Constitutional rights to own guns. that is the real hypocrisy. I have no problem with the several states requiring individuals who want to buy a weapon supplying ID to prove they are old enough to do so (which is a requirement-if imposed by the various states-I do not find to infringe on either state or national constitutional provisions) I do not think the federal government has the proper authority to say make a law banning 19 or 20 year olds from buying a handgun.
    In the end, these are two very very different issues. Gun ownership is not voting in an election and voting in an election is not gun ownership. It would be good if we could keep them apart in their respective threads.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    In the end, these are two very very different issues. Gun ownership is not voting in an election and voting in an election is not gun ownership. It would be good if we could keep them apart in their respective threads.
    gun ownership is a specifically recognized constitutional right. Voting has been recognized as such. If you want an ID and other restrictions to exercise one, its rather hypocritical to complain about less arduous requirements of identification imposed to exercise the other one

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    gun ownership is a specifically recognized constitutional right. Voting has been recognized as such. If you want an ID and other restrictions to exercise one, its rather hypocritical to complain about less arduous requirements of identification imposed to exercise the other one
    Actually, I think it is better to take each and every right under the Constitution and decide what is best for it based on that right itself and not on how you fairly limit or exercise control in regard to other rights. As such, I do not think the arguments made in favor or against voting rights or gun rights are automatically transferrable and applicable to the other.
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