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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    This is exactly what I mean. You are basically lying because I said no such thing you are accusing me of and ignoring the actual subject to basically call names.

    Originally Posted by Blackdog
    "It would also keep people who should not be voting from voting.

    "Good, maybe it will keep the apathetic morons who have no clue from voting."



    No you don't. I have posted plenty of proof as have others of fraud and yet you keep asking.
    Are you talking about the 86 in five years across the whole country??? That's what you want to risk disenfranchising 5 million voters for?


    PS more evidence you will ignore...

    McInerney, 47, is a former state Assembly worker who has been a Democratic committeeman in Troy for years. He was appointed to the clerk’s position by the City Council when Democrats took control of the Troy council in January 2008. Dem official pleads guilty in NY election fraud investigation | RedState
    This has nothing whatsoever to do with the photo ID requirement over even individual voter fraud. Please explain how forging absentee ballots by an official would be prevented by the photo ID law for voters?

    So that's all you got, huh?
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I do agree. The only point I would make is that the good intentions of supporting a South American democracy movement led to the bad result of arming some real jackholes. If anything it's a failing of U.S. foreign policy, something that it seems few modern presidents have been immune to.

    Understood. In a way though it does speak to the vote, I do firmly believe that politicians should be accountable, we do that by keeping the vote honest and informed.
    On that point, we agree, which is why I voted yes on the issue of photo ID. We really don't know how much voter fraud there is, but even if the answer is not much, why put up with any if it can be helped by anything so simple as showing a picture ID?

    Even if elections are squeaky clean now, which is doubtful, requiring picture ID would at least make it less credible to point to election results we don't like and shout, "fraud!"
    "Donald Trump is a phony, a fraud... [he's] playing the American public for suckers." Mitt Romney

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    On that point, we agree, which is why I voted yes on the issue of photo ID. We really don't know how much voter fraud there is, but even if the answer is not much, why put up with any if it can be helped by anything so simple as showing a picture ID?

    Even if elections are squeaky clean now, which is doubtful, requiring picture ID would at least make it less credible to point to election results we don't like and shout, "fraud!"
    I disagree. Unless costs to acquire the photo IDs is provided by the government, it amounts to a poll tax.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I disagree. Unless costs to acquire the photo IDs is provided by the government, it amounts to a poll tax.
    The supreme court says you are wrong.

    The Supreme Court ruled Monday that states can require voters to produce photo identification without violating their constitutional rights, validating Republican-inspired voter ID laws. - Supreme Court upholds voter ID law - politics - msnbc.com

    So much for your unconstitutional poll tax.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Originally Posted by Blackdog
    "It would also keep people who should not be voting from voting.
    That was about people who legally can't vote, but you know this. Nice dishonesty and more fallacy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    "Good, maybe it will keep the apathetic morons who have no clue from voting."
    That was a sarcastic reply, but you knew that as well. Keep up with the fallacy and lies.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Are you talking about the 86 in five years across the whole country??? That's what you want to risk disenfranchising 5 million voters for?
    Covering only 2 federal elections? Yes I am.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    This has nothing whatsoever to do with the photo ID requirement over even individual voter fraud. Please explain how forging absentee ballots by an official would be prevented by the photo ID law for voters?
    That was a different response I used as an example of WHO is doing most of the fraud, Democrats. That's what it has to do with it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    So that's all you got, huh?
    Don't need anything else. The supreme court already won this debate before it even started.
    Last edited by Black Dog; 12-22-11 at 06:17 PM.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    On that point, we agree, which is why I voted yes on the issue of photo ID. We really don't know how much voter fraud there is, but even if the answer is not much, why put up with any if it can be helped by anything so simple as showing a picture ID?

    Even if elections are squeaky clean now, which is doubtful, requiring picture ID would at least make it less credible to point to election results we don't like and shout, "fraud!"
    Absolutely.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I disagree. Unless costs to acquire the photo IDs is provided by the government, it amounts to a poll tax.
    Yes, of course the cost has to be born by the government. Given that most people already have such an ID, the cost should be minimal anyway.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Yes, of course the cost has to be born by the government. Given that most people already have such an ID, the cost should be minimal anyway.
    A study by the experts show there could be as many as 5 million voters that could be disenfranchised by this law, if the burden is not borne by the government.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    A study by the experts show there could be as many as 5 million voters that could be disenfranchised by this law, if the burden is not borne by the government.
    Then we need to get 5 million people over to the DMV right away.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Then we need to get 5 million people over to the DMV right away.
    Are you going to pay for 5 million people to get their IDs?
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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