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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Blackdog. Again. Those laws just require a valid ID.
    A valid id means the information IS up to date etc. This does not make an id law unconstitutional as in Indianan it must be up to date as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    99% of people have a valid photo ID, so that is exactly what you would expect- only a fraction of 1% not being able to vote. But these other laws require forms of ID that 10% of people don't have. Please, don't make me keep explaining that over and over.
    No proof exists that 10% of anyone will be unable to vote, none. Here let me post it again since you cut it out....

    Studies have shown that states that require photo identification in elections have little to no significant difference in voter turnout or fraud. “In [a] 2008 survey, three out of 2,564 respondents said that they tried to vote but were not allowed because of voter ID, a fraction of a percent.”

    Here lets repeat that....

    have little to no significant difference in voter turnout

    Does it need to be any clearer? The study from 2006 was talking about the 15 states AT THE TIME that now have SCOTUS approved voter id laws, period. I don't know what these "new" voter id laws coming into affect you are talking about.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jryan View Post
    I find it quite disturbing that people are okay with stripping others rights as long as it secures their own.
    I find it disturbing people want illegals etc to vote with impunity.

    Then again we all know who the majority of voter fraud charges have been leveled against.

    The Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), the radical left-wing activist group, was convicted in a massive voter-fraud conspiracy. It has been committing identify theft for decades. VADUM: Obama's favorite gangsters convicted again - Washington Times

    The plea offer made to McInerney, a Democrat, is based, in part, on information compiled by State Police showing McInerney may have helped forge absentee ballots in previous campaigns dating to at least 2007.

    McInerney, 47, is a former state Assembly worker who has been a Democratic committeeman in Troy for years. He was appointed to the clerk’s position by the City Council when Democrats took control of the Troy council in January 2008.
    Dem official pleads guilty in NY election fraud investigation | RedState

    about 120 people have been charged and 86 convicted as of last year. Most of those charged have been Democrats, voting records show. In 5-Year Effort, Scant Evidence of Voter Fraud - New York Times

    Sorry, no dice.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Lets see, I guess you need a lesson in English?

    Apathy = people who don't vote anyway. Hence the low voter turnout.

    People who should not be voting = illegal aliens, convicted felons etc.

    Your statements are basically what they are is because you have no real argument against a photo id, period. So you would rather attack my character by lying. Bravo!
    You've admitted your reason for wanting the new voter regulatory requirements. No point in trying go back in the closet now.

    Where are all the cases of voter fraud by illegal aliens and convicted felons??? We keep asking you and you keep coming up with nothing!

    All we have are your statements that it would limit the people from voting that disagree with you.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You've admitted your reason for wanting the new voter regulatory requirements. No point in trying go back in the closet now.
    This is exactly what I mean. You are basically lying because I said no such thing you are accusing me of and ignoring the actual subject to basically call names.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Where are all the cases of voter fraud by illegal aliens and convicted felons??? We keep asking you and you keep coming up with nothing!
    No you don't. I have posted plenty of proof as have others of fraud and yet you keep asking.

    You are done here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    All we have are your statements that it would limit the people from voting that disagree with you.
    No another lie. I would limit people who legally cannot vote to begin with. Like dead people, people voting more than one time. People illegally registered etc.

    You don't like that though because it would limit the liberal vote fraud machine.

    PS more evidence you will ignore...

    McInerney, 47, is a former state Assembly worker who has been a Democratic committeeman in Troy for years. He was appointed to the clerk’s position by the City Council when Democrats took control of the Troy council in January 2008. Dem official pleads guilty in NY election fraud investigation | RedState
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Blackdog - do you realize that the NY TImes article you have in your posts paints the exact opposite picture that you are attempting to use it for? The article shows that a miniscule number of people are convicted for voter fraud and most who commit it did so because they did not understand the law. Please read your own article.

    Many of those charged by the Justice Department appear to have mistakenly filled out registration forms or misunderstood eligibility rules, a review of court records and interviews with prosecutors and defense lawyers show. In Miami, an assistant United States attorney said many cases there involved what were apparently mistakes by immigrants, not fraud.
    In Wisconsin, where prosecutors have lost almost twice as many cases as they won, charges were brought against voters who filled out more than one registration form and felons seemingly unaware that they were barred from voting.
    One ex-convict was so unfamiliar with the rules that he provided his prison-issued identification card, stamped “Offender,” when he registered just before voting
    Last edited by haymarket; 12-22-11 at 12:22 PM.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Blackdog - do you realize that the NY TImes article you have in your posts paints the exact opposite picture that you are attempting to use it for? The article shows that a miniscule number of people are convicted for voter fraud and most who commit it did so because they did not understand the law. Please read your own article.
    Please point out where I said it is rampant? You are assuming I said something based on the fact I support photo id's. I know what the article says and it says the majority of those charged were democrats out of 120 arrested. THAT was my point which you and others are trying to ignore.

    Notice it said the MAJORITY OF THOSE CHARGED WERE DEMOCRATS

    Now obviously Republicans are also to blame but Democrats seem to have a much LARGER interest in voting fraud, I wonder why?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Please point out where I said it is rampant? You are assuming I said something based on the fact I support photo id's. I know what the article says and it says the majority of those convicted were democrats out of 120 arrested. THAT was my point which you and others are trying to ignore.
    rampant? You reproduced my post and I do not find the word RAMPANT in it.

    Do you even understand the mathematical relationship between the numbers 86 and 196,000,000?
    Last edited by haymarket; 12-22-11 at 12:30 PM.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    rampant? You reproduced my post and I do not find the word RAMPANT in it.

    Do you even understand the mathematical relationship between the numbers 86 and 196,000,000?
    Now you are trying to play semantics?

    Sorry not going to play your silly game. It's not like ACORN got caught illegally registering 400,000 names, or anything like that, right?

    I am done with you and your partisan hackery.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Now you are trying to play semantics?

    Sorry not going to play your silly game. It's not like ACORN got caught illegally registering 400,000 names, or anything like that, right?

    I am done with you and your partisan hackery.
    What are you talking about? YOU used the word rampant and it was not in my post.

    You seem to be frustrated because you are impotent to point out any significant voter fraud which would justify this sort of state action.

    Again I ask you, do you understand the mathematical relationship between the numbers 86 and 196,000,000?
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    What are you talking about? YOU used the word rampant and it was not in my post.
    So what? I used the word "rampant" instead of something like wide spread or epidemic even. My point remains the same.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You seem to be frustrated because you are impotent to point out any significant voter fraud which would justify this sort of state action.
    Not really. I feel impotent against the liberal partisan duchebaggery presented by dishonest opponents who reject the evidence and use nothing but fallacy.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Again I ask you, do you understand the mathematical relationship between the numbers 86 and 196,000,000?
    As I have said over and over already... Does not matter, it happens.

    Perfect example post #416 you completely ignore my point and go off on some stupid fallacy about the word "rampant"

    Just wow. At least be honest with yourself.
    Last edited by Black Dog; 12-22-11 at 12:44 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
    Quote Originally Posted by Absentglare View Post
    You can successfully wipe your ass with toilet paper, that doesn't mean that you should.

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