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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    No kiddo. The people who don't have IDs that meet those requirements aren't felons and illegal aliens
    I did not know you could read minds now? How do you know?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    they're college students, people who live in big cities and don't drive or move a lot, elderly people, etc. Heck, my grandmother couldn't vote if they passed one of those laws in her state. She hasn't driven in 20 years.
    I am sorry but if you need a simple photo id, get one. This is not rocket science.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    do all the libs (yes everyone voting no is a well known lefty) oppose having to show an ID to buy a gun as well?
    "As a libertarian, I tend to look at cost before I look at benefits. In 2008, the Supreme Court looked at state imposed voter ID in Indiana in the case Crawford v. Marion County Election Board. In the majority opinion, Justice John Paul Stevens stated that voter ID was constitutional as long as the state offered the identification cards free of charge. Otherwise, voter identification cards qualify as a poll tax. If the Mississippi voter ID initiative passes in November, the physical printing and distribution of a new form of identification as well as the implementation of the new policy will end up costing the state one and a half million dollars a year. Are the benefits worth the cost?

    Studies have shown that states that require photo identification in elections have little to no significant difference in voter turnout or fraud. “In [a] 2008 survey, three out of 2,564 respondents said that they tried to vote but were not allowed because of voter ID, a fraction of a percent.”[1] The only claim by either side that has any relevance is that some groups may not receive equal treatment by poll workers when asked for identification. “In the 2008 Super Tuesday primary states, 53% of whites were asked to show photo ID, compared with 58% of Hispanics and a staggering 73% of African Americans.”[2] The above data should be a warning for Mississippians to rethink their support of voter identification when they go to the polls this Tuesday. More unnecessary spending and possible discrimination at the polls makes voter identification contain more negative policy implications than positive. This is why I am voting NO on Initiative 27."

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I did not know you could read minds now? How do you know?
    Because that's what the study proved... I feel like you aren't putting an honest effort into this conversation man.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I am sorry but if you need a simple photo id, get one. This is not rocket science.
    The question isn't like about whether people should do this or that, it is what WILL people do. And at least a large block of them won't get IDs and hence will be prevented from voting. The result will be a much bigger skewing of election results than that caused by the seemingly extremely rare fraud that is committed by going into a polling place.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    It would also keep people who should not be voting from voting. Damn what a concept!
    Very convenient to have a law to make it harder for those that disagree with you to vote. Most people try to hide this intent with false claims of voter fraud as you first did, till challenged. I'm glad you finally came out of the closet about it.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Because that's what the study proved... I feel like you aren't putting an honest effort into this conversation man.
    No it has not in fact here...

    Studies have shown that states that require photo identification in elections have little to no significant difference in voter turnout or fraud. “In [a] 2008 survey, three out of 2,564 respondents said that they tried to vote but were not allowed because of voter ID, a fraction of a percent.” - Young Americans for Liberty – Ole Miss Chapter

    The study as I said from 2006 vs the info from 2008 says no.

    Thanks Catwaba, always appreciate the help.

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    The question isn't like about whether people should do this or that, it is what WILL people do. And at least a large block of them won't get IDs and hence will be prevented from voting. The result will be a much bigger skewing of election results than that caused by the seemingly extremely rare fraud that is committed by going into a polling place.
    Again you are assuming things that have not happened and according to states who already require id's it is not true.

    Amazing how studies from 5 years ago mean little.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Very convenient to have a law to make it harder for those that disagree with you to vote. Most people try to hide this intent with false claims of voter fraud as you first did, till challenged. I'm glad you finally came out of the closet about it.
    Now you with the idiot comment. That's not what I said and you know it.

    Wow.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Now you with the idiot comment. That's not what I said and you know it.

    Wow.
    So then you didn't mean to say this?

    Originally Posted by Blackdog
    It would also keep people who should not be voting from voting.
    Or this?

    Good, maybe it will keep the apathetic morons who have no clue from voting.
    Last edited by Catawba; 12-22-11 at 03:34 AM.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Again you are assuming things that have not happened and according to states who already require id's it is not true
    Blackdog. Again. Those laws just require a valid ID. 99% of people have a valid photo ID, so that is exactly what you would expect- only a fraction of 1% not being able to vote. But these other laws require forms of ID that 10% of people don't have. Please, don't make me keep explaining that over and over.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    I find it quite disturbing that people are okay with stripping others rights as long as it secures their own.
    I'm coming to see that no matter what law we regulate, be it the stand your ground act, there is never an objective morally right answer to any morale question; in fact, since there are multiple objectively right answers to every moral question that leaves us with a lot of grey area and a lot of black area (not in the racial since).
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    So then you didn't mean to say this?

    Or this?
    Lets see, I guess you need a lesson in English?

    Apathy = people who don't vote anyway. Hence the low voter turnout.

    People who should not be voting = illegal aliens, convicted felons etc.

    Your statements are basically what they are is because you have no real argument against a photo id, period. So you would rather attack my character by lying. Bravo!
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    You can successfully wipe your ass with toilet paper, that doesn't mean that you should.

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