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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Wow it is amazing how all of you have ignored this...

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1060049114

    Again your own words are the best evidence.
    Right, we can't know for sure how it will play out until it happens, but it looks like it will be bad. What do you have to suggest otherwise?

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Can see no evidence of it at all. It must not exist. If you allege that it does, where is the evidence for I can find none.
    Then you are to stupid to find the obvious.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Right, we can't know for sure how it will play out until it happens, but it looks like it will be bad. What do you have to suggest otherwise?
    We already have photo id's in what? 15 states that require a picture? I have heard no massive outcry of hardship or anything else? Have you?

    So please fill me in on where all of the "it looks like it will be bad" ran off to?
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    So far you have a study based on speculation and it even contradicts itself. What more do you need?
    We have a study by experts vs no documentation from you to back up your claims. All we have from you is the concession that it would be good to prevent people that you don't agree with you from voting.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    We already have photo id's in what? 15 states that require a picture? I have heard no massive outcry of hardship or anything else? Have you?

    So please fill me in on where all of the "it looks like it will be bad" ran off to?
    See I knew you didn't really read the study... It found that 99% of citizens have a valid photo ID, so requiring that doesn't have a massive impact, but only 90% of citizens have a valid photo ID that meets the requirements of the strictest of the voter ID laws that are now being proposed or that will be in effect for the first time this election. For example, they have a valid ID, but it was issued by another state or they have a valid ID with their previous address on it. All those people- roughly 25 million voters nationwide- would need to go get a new ID to vote. Now, you tell me, what percentage of them do you think actually will do that? Half? That'd be 12.5 million legal voters disenfranchised. Roughly on par with the disenfranchisement of black voters in the south in the 60s. Even if 80% of them do it, that's still 5 million. Personally, I think really its more like 20% that will go get a new ID, so that'd be 20 million, but just to be super conservative, lets say 5 million.

    Now that means that in order for these laws to be an improvement in the accuracy of elections, you'd need to find strong evidence suggesting that more than 5 million votes per election are cast illegally by people actually going into the polling place. Everything I've seen suggests it's more like 1,000 votes per election, but if you have any evidence showing it might be up in the 5 million neighborhood, lets see it.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    do all the libs (yes everyone voting no is a well known lefty) oppose having to show an ID to buy a gun as well?
    Last edited by TurtleDude; 12-22-11 at 12:48 AM. Reason: thanks Haymarket!

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    do all the libs (yes everyone voting no is a well known lefty) oppose having to show an ID to buy a guy as well?
    If you want to buy a guy, does he usually ask for a photo ID or just if you have the right amount of money for the services?

    You may want to go back and correct that to GUN Turtle.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    do all the libs (yes everyone voting no is a well known lefty) oppose having to show an ID to buy a guy as well?
    Just a plain old valid ID? No, I would not oppose that. I would oppose it if they tried to add on all kind of unrelated requirements just to try to prevent people from buying guns like requiring that it be issued by the state in which they are buying the gun, have their current address, etc.

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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    See I knew you didn't really read the study... It found that 99% of citizens have a valid photo ID, so requiring that doesn't have a massive impact, but only 90% of citizens have a valid photo ID that meets the requirements of the strictest of the voter ID laws that are now being proposed or that will be in effect for the first time this election.
    Ummm....that has nothing to do with what you asked or my reply...

    Right, we can't know for sure how it will play out until it happens, but it looks like it will be bad. What do you have to suggest otherwise? - teamosil

    I pointed out that it is already used in 15 states with no real issues, that's it. Your question and my answer had nothing at all to do with the study.

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    For example, they have a valid ID, but it was issued by another state or they have a valid ID with their previous address on it. All those people- roughly 25 million voters nationwide- would need to go get a new ID to vote. Now, you tell me, what percentage of them do you think actually will do that? Half? That'd be 12.5 million legal voters disenfranchised.
    God forbid they get pulled over and miss the court date because it was sent to the wrong address etc. Sorry they are disfranchised because of stupidity, not a photo id.

    PS most if not all states require you update you driver licence or id within 30 days of moving or moving to a new state. Ignorance of the law is no excuse, never has been and never will be.

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Roughly on par with the disenfranchisement of black voters in the south in the 60s. Even if 80% of them do it, that's still 5 million. Personally, I think really its more like 20% that will go get a new ID, so that'd be 20 million, but just to be super conservative, lets say 5 million.
    Most states like Indiana offer free photo id's to those who can't afford them. Still no excuse.

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Now that means that in order for these laws to be an improvement in the accuracy of elections, you'd need to find strong evidence suggesting that more than 5 million votes per election are cast illegally by people actually going into the polling place. Everything I've seen suggests it's more like 1,000 votes per election, but if you have any evidence showing it might be up in the 5 million neighborhood, lets see it.
    That is completely arbitrary and comparing to blacks in the 60's is even more ridicules as I have pointed out above.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Photo ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    We have a study by experts vs no documentation from you to back up your claims. All we have from you is the concession that it would be good to prevent people that you don't agree with you from voting.
    It would also keep people who should not be voting from voting. Damn what a concept!
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    You can successfully wipe your ass with toilet paper, that doesn't mean that you should.

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